Business has a 51% sign but no TABC license

[ColonelTravis]

I go to a restaurant in Plano regularly to get take out, last night was the first time I'd ever eaten inside. There is no sign on the door or window, but inside, near the ceiling is a generic No Firearms sign. I won't get into the positioning, but it's not easy to spot initially. Actually, almost impossible when you first walk in. That's not what bothered me. Under that sign is a red 51% sign. That stunned me. This place doesn't have alcohol on their menu that I know of, but I looked them up on the TABC site to make sure. They have no liquor license. I looked up a local bar just to make sure the TABC site was working, and it was, because the bar license showed up.

Texas law requires a 51% sign if you are a 51% business, right? And it's a felony to carry inside these places. So, how does this place get away with putting up a 51% sign? This is infuriating to me.

 

[Mills]

I would find s new restaurant .

 

[Tnhawk]

My solution would be for my firearm and myself to avoid this business as obviously they don't want customers.

Welcome to TGT. Please identify the business, as might miss his improper sign.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I go to a restaurant in Plano regularly to get take out, last night was the first time I'd ever eaten inside. There is no sign on the door or window, but inside, near the ceiling is a generic No Firearms sign. I won't get into the positioning, but it's not easy to spot initially. Actually, almost impossible when you first walk in. That's not what bothered me. Under that sign is a red 51% sign. That stunned me. This place doesn't have alcohol on their menu that I know of, but I looked them up on the TABC site to make sure. They have no liquor license. I looked up a local bar just to make sure the TABC site was working, and it was, because the bar license showed up.

Texas law requires a 51% sign if you are a 51% business, right? And it's a felony to carry inside these places. So, how does this place get away with putting up a 51% sign? This is infuriating to me.

Welcome to the Forum!

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Is what it is just go elsewhere if it rattles your cage.
Great 1st post by the way!

 

[Bozz10mm]

Contact TABC. They'll send an officer out to make sure the signage is correct, and if necessary remove any improperly posted 51% signs.

 

[popper]

Naw, just open carry and let them call the cops and find out their sign is incorrect. Well, now wouldn't do that in Plano, cops aren't well informed.

 

[Big Green]

Contact TABC. They'll send an officer out to make sure the signage is correct, and if necessary remove any improperly posted 51% signs.

And in the process may tell them the proper signs and how they are to be displayed.

I’ve told my kids that as well. We don’t tell a business they have unenforceable signs, that just makes them put up the correct ones instead.

 

[CharlieWH2O]

Joined April 8, 2020 and just got around to your first post? Hope you were well in the interim.

 

[Steve In Texas]

So, how does this place get away with putting up a 51% sign? This is infuriating to me.

They may just be presenting differently then they believe and assume those in the know consider obviously unenforceable signage subtle invitation. There are many great threads on TGT discussing the complexities within Texas statutes.

 

[MountainGirl]

Joined April 8, 2020 and just got around to your first post? Hope you were well in the interim.

I've noticed several of those lately; joined in 2020-22 and just now I or 2 posts.

 

[TXAZ]

Good TGT discussion here from 2008:
TX 51% thread

 

[BBL]

Welcome to TGT!
This is more common than many realize. You have multiple options, whether you want to boycott the place or maybe talk to the manager and educate them that they may not post the sign contradicting the TABC assigned status. You can also quietly carry in there. But be careful if someone calls the law on you because the officer might not know the law well and you could get wrongfully arrested and then deal with that. Your life, your choice. Be safe.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

I don't/won't do business with those correctly posting 30.06 signs...the posting of generic 'no guns' signs or any other incorrect type of no gun signs would be enough for me to find a different restaurant...

 

[Eastexasrick]

1. Who gives a F? Why let it even register on the GIF scale.
2, You really GIF, or are under 25 years old? Leave your weapon in the truck, go in, order a mixed drink when they say we don't serve alcohol, grab the sigh and tell them to stick it up thier..; Remember to tell the police your alias is Tater Salad.

 

[seeker_two]

Concealed means concealed.....

 

[Tnhawk]

No gun = No money. This is usual way to handle the signs.

 

[Enigma57]

Early on when the Texas Concealed Handgun law was passed. It allowed places post the 51% sign in place of the 30.06 sign requirements. It was a temporary solution to prohibit CHL holders from entering until the locations had enough time to get all of their entrances fully signed. It’s kind of funny now looking back, but some Hospitals and Nursing Homes had the 51% signs posted.

 

[ColonelTravis]

Early on when the Texas Concealed Handgun law was passed. It allowed places post the 51% sign in place of the 30.06 sign requirements for a temporary solution to prohibit CHL holders from entering until the locations had enough time to get their all of their entrances fully signed. It kind of funny now looking back, but some Hospitals and Nursing Homes had the 51% signs posted.

OK, thanks for this. My question isn't - should I carry. My question is - how can they legally do this, almost 30 years later? I didn't remember this from when the law changed.

What bothers me is that they are being deceptive, because a 51% sign is a felony. Does the state still allow businesses to do this?

 

[Enigma57]

I haven’t taught the LTC course in over ten years, but I’d have to say no, they should have the proper signage by now. I would report the business to The Texas Department of Public Safety/ Licensed to Carry section. They usually will send out a Trooper to check the sign issue.