Atf rule banning private sales requires FFL rumored for fall.

[ZX9RCAM]

Except, you still made a sale, and do not have an FFL.

 

[DaBull]

Except, you still made a sale, and do not have an FFL.

In my explanation, I am giving the ATF the benefit of the doubt that they would not go after someone who engaged in an occasional sale, even if a profit was made.

 

[BigRed]

I am giving the ATF the benefit of the doubt that they would not go after someone who engaged in an occasional sale, even if a profit was made.

 

[DaBull]

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What can I say, I'm feeling generous today.

 

[pronstar]

My new rule:
Buy only. Never sell.

 

[BigRed]

What can I say, I'm feeling generous today.

Well, they might be less interested if you don't have a wife, child, or dog they can kill.

 

[Hoji]

In my explanation, I am giving the ATF the benefit of the doubt that they would not go after someone who engaged in an occasional sale, even if a profit was made.

 

[motorcarman]

What can I say, I'm feeling generous today.

I feel your generosity BUT...............

Your generosity is....................
Misguided, Gullible, Hopeful, Delusional, Playfully Ignorant, Deceptive, Antagonistic, Disingenuous, Purposefully Misleading, Happily Entrapping, Actually Lying.....(running out of similes)...............The ATF is NOT YOUR FRIEND.

Other that that, I have no problem with your trust.(just kidding)

 

[toddnjoyce]

So, educate me.

Without entrapment (ATF buys from you directly) or actual observation of your sale to anyone, how can they “prove” there was a sale unless someone is caught with a firearm that was not “registered” to them as in the current NFA items (perhaps the actual goal)?

From their rule, you advertised a firearm or multiple firearms for sale.

Even a single firearm transaction, or offer to engage in a transaction, when combined with other evidence, may be sufficient to require a license.

And

… a person would be presumed to be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms when the person: (1) sells or offers for sale firearms, and also represents to potential buyers or otherwise demonstrates a willingness and ability to purchase and sell additional firearms; …

Among other things.

So you throw up an FSOT, get an offer and later give a buyer rating/review on the forum to the effect you would sell to him again.

Or, you state in the ad a BOS is required, which is a transaction record, something FFLs have to do, so if your already keeping records, it’s presumed you’re dealing w/o a license.[/quote]

 

[toddnjoyce]

Here’s examples from this forum that could easily fit into dealing without a license under the new rule.

 

[Vaquero]

My new rule:
Buy only. Never sell.

What happens when you die?

 

[Johnny Diamond]

What happens when you die?

The state confiscates comrade. Of course

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[ZX9RCAM]

What happens when you die?

Zombie transaction....

 

[toddnjoyce]

What happens when you die?

An auctioneer can liquid your collection.

 

[Vaquero]

But his boys have to do a legal transfer at ffl to inherit them?
It all backdoor registration.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

An auctioneer can liquid your collection.

So, does that mean they can't be passed on to relatives, or friends?

 

[Vaquero]

That's what I'm asking?
I bet it's in there or will be.

 

[toddnjoyce]

But his boys have to do a legal transfer at ffl to inherit them?
It all backdoor registration.

So, does that mean they can't be passed on to relatives, or friends?

That part is unclear in the vagary of the rule.

My take is this rule is written under the myth that a paper trail can be created for every transfer without considering how the real
world works.

 

[Texasgordo]

.................and with all this shenanigans going on............ folks in the classifieds are still asking for a BOS............

Don't forget the retards who require a BOS for ammo and pocket knives

 

[Bozz10mm]

But his boys have to do a legal transfer at ffl to inherit them?
It all backdoor registration.

I don't think so. There are no new restrictions against buying or receiving a firearm from a non dealer, only selling. They can't prosecute you for selling if yer dead.