AR 15 DPMS: Was it the shooter or rifle?

[DaBull]

How can you want to shoot, but...
Be such a bad shot, that...
No one wants to even train you???

Think about Skumala Harris' "selection" as V.P.
Seems the leftists like worthless humans for puppets...

Joe

His classmates were interviewed and they said he was bullied pretty much daily in high school. This might explain a lack of social media presence too. If he was angry, I wonder why he chose to take it out on Trump rather than his bullies. Maybe he thought this would make him famous but no manifesto so far.

 

[V-Tach]

Or maybe he showed up and proved to them that he was just unsafe.

Or mentally unsafe.......calling him a bad shot for cover....

 

[Younggun]

Or maybe he showed up and proved to them that he was just unsafe.

100% possible.

My point was only that we don’t know much with such limited info.

 

[HelotesChaparral]

DPMS factory rifles are not accurate.

The shooter was not accurate. He was not allowed on the high school shooting team because the instructor kicked him out and said he was too dangerous.

Use some common sense people.

 

[Renegade]

This isn't a rifle or ammo question, it's a shooter question.

It is an everything question.

We do not even know if the gun was properly zero'd.

 

[Renegade]

DPMS factory rifles are not accurate.

Match accurate? No. But properly zero'd with decent ammo 2-3 MOA for sure.

He was not allowed on the high school shooting team because the instructor kicked him out and said he was too dangerous.
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That was years ago.

 

[Younggun]

Match accurate? No. But properly zero'd with decent ammo 2-3 MOA for sure.

For some reason I read this in the voice of Will Ferral talking about Tuna fashioning breathing apparatus from Kelp to attack lions on land from The Other Guys.

 

[Renegade]

So gun was bought in 2013.

ATF was able to trace quickly as Dealer was Out of Business and ATF had his bound book.

 

[Nicholst55]

Depends on how good the other shooters on the team were and how much competition there is to get on the team.

If they had a really good shooting team and a guy shows up to try out and just shoots “ok” there’s a good chance they’d tell him “sorry, practice and try again next year”.

Hard to quantify his skill without knowing who he was competing against for a spot. Or how the teams are structured, limits on team size, etc.

I spent several years hunting in the western PA area with a friend who lives in the area. Smallbore rifle shooting is a big deal in that area, with most high schools and 4H clubs having a team. The competition can be fierce, so if the local team wouldn't take him, he was probably either a very poor shot, or else he had other issues (maturity, sanity, etc.).

 

[Younggun]

I spent several years hunting in the western PA area with a friend who lives in the area. Smallbore rifle shooting is a big deal in that area, with most high schools and 4H clubs having a team. The competition can be fierce, so if the local team wouldn't take him, he was probably either a very poor shot, or else he had other issues (maturity, sanity, etc.).

If the competition is fierce wouldn’t that mean a much higher standard to make the team?

 

[hornetguy]

You guys have me curious.... if possible, I'm going to take the AR to the range this weekend, to see what it's capable of with factory ammo. It will only be 100 yds, but it should give an idea of the capability of one DPMS rifle. IIRC, I took the scope off that one, and put a Romeo on it... so it should be almost apples/apples.

 

[zackmars]

The rifle, unless its a total dog paired with the worst ammo he could find, can more than make that shot

Even if it's doing 8+ MOA, there's nothing stopping one round getting that close.

The guy was not accepted for his schools rifle club, but they're shooting irons only. Red dots are much easier for new/less experienced shooters to make hits with.


I've been shooting my AP5 a lot recently, and i can get pretty consistent first round hits offhand (probably 80%ish) at 100 yards on a reduced size silhouette. Prone with an AR would be nothing.

 

[Hoji]

DPMS factory rifles are not accurate.

The shooter was not accurate. He was not allowed on the high school shooting team because the instructor kicked him out and said he was too dangerous.

Use some common sense people.

My LR 308 with zero mods shoots cloverleaf groups at 100 yards.
My AP4 will do 1-1.5” groups from a sandbag all day long.

The LR308 has over 1,000 deer killed with it.

 

[Mohawk600]

I can clip a gnat's wing at 1000 yds with my DPMS.

 

[Hoji]

I can clip a gnat's wing at 1000 yds with my DPMS.

Not bragging. I killed deer at the taxpayer’s expense for over 5 years.

 

[Mohawk600]

Not bragging. I killed deer at the taxpayer’s expense for over 5 years.

Hoji..........I totally believe you.

I was just poking fun at the discussion of DPMS accuracy and AR 15 accuracy in general. Everyone familiar with the platform knows that a decent shooter even with a DPMS at 100 yds would hardly have to try.

 

[oldag]

We have no idea and will never know if he could accurately shoot. The shot that grazed Trump's ear might have been aimed by the shooter at center of mass and he missed a lot. Or maybe he was aiming for a headshot and just missed. We simply don't know.

 

[Maxrobot]

He bought ammo the morning of the shooting. Perhaps his dad had the ammo secured. He bought ammunition at Allegheny Arms & Gun Works, which is a mile from his Bethel Park home.

"Officials told CNN that the day before the rally, Crooks went to the Clairton Sportsmen's Club to do target shooting. Crooks was a member of the club."

More details surface about actions of Thomas Crooks ahead of Trump shooting

The morning of the shooting, officials said Crooks bought ammunition at Allegheny Arms & Gun Works, which is a mile from his Bethel Park home.

www.wtae.com

 

[billtool]

My 16” LR308 is a joy to shoot. I have a ton of crap attached to it so it certainly isn’t light. It shoots as straight as I can aim. Had it out to ring 300 yard steel about six months ago. I don’t think I missed a 10” gong in probably 300 rounds. That Trash Panda was justa glowing. This kid was just a really crappy shot.

 

[psledoux]

DPMS - Didn't Pass Military Spec