Anybody got a load?

[robertc1024]

Full disclosure - whatever you tell me is on me. No lawsuits.

.357 mag, 110 grain jacketed hollow point bullets, Hodgdon H110. All I've found so far is min 22 grains, high 23 grains. Sends them downrange ~2000 fps. Any other recipe?

 

[Dawico]

Where did you find that load listed?

Just curious so we can rule that manual out.

Looking at my books now.

 

[Dawico]

The Richard Lee book is the only one of my three showing a load for that combo. It says the same, 22.0 grains starting and 23.0 max, but says they are BOTH COMPRESSED LOADS. That is odd.

The Richard Lee book is a copy and pasted book (it has tons of loads BTW) so that is listed somewhere else too.

ETA:
Hodgdon.com has that load listed but does not mention it being compressed.

 

[stemoo01]

Is the oal or bullet different on the loads?

22g sounds like a whole lot of powder.

 

[Dawico]

Is the oal or bullet different on the loads?

22g sounds like a whole lot of powder.

Hodgdon's and Lee's loads are identical in every aspect. 1.590" COAL with a Hornady XTP.

 

[robertc1024]

Is the oal or bullet different on the loads?

22g sounds like a whole lot of powder.

Yes Sir - that's why I was asking.

Hodgdon's and Lee's loads are identical in every aspect. 1.590" COAL with a Hornady XTP.

Yes Sir - I looked at the Hodgdon's web page for loads. 1.590" is what I read too. 22 grains of BP wouldn't give me any pause, but that much smokeless powder had me thinking. Cases primed and ready for loading - I'd rather be on the light side and rather have a squib than be on the high side and have a kaboom.

 

[Dawico]

Yes Sir - that's why I was asking.



Yes Sir - I looked at the Hodgdon's web page for loads. 1.590" is what I read too. 22 grains of BP wouldn't give me any pause, but that much smokeless powder had me thinking. Cases primed and ready for loading - I'd rather be on the light side and rather have a squib than be on the high side and have a kaboom.

Agreed, but some loads do not work well below given minimums. Low powder levels can kaboom too.

That powder may need a little compression to burn properly in that load.

Powders can act very weird and do the opposite of what they should do.

Proceed with caution.

 

[stemoo01]

So the largest 125gr load is 19.9gr H110 for 1500 FPS. (Hornady 9th)

I do have one 110gr H110 load, but its for a 357 Maximum (not magnum!). Start 26.4gr/1750, max 28.1gr/1900.

Given that I'd certainty avoid trying to push a 357 magnum to 2000FPS, but I'd expect your 23gr load to be way under that.

I'd echo tread carefully.

Given a 125gr range of 17.4/1250FPS to 19.9/1500FPS & the fact that all the powders I've got 125&110 load data for show the 125gr max to be safe in the 110gr loads I'd consider 20gr as my max.

Note, I'm just a guy on the internet, whilst I don't want you to blow your hand off it's entirely your risk trying any of this.

 

[Ozzman]

Every time I post this link no-one responds.

Have you guys tried Steves Pages:
http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm

This has almost any type of reloading data you could ever possible need or come up with for almost every caliber.
According to this page, and what the OP wants here is the following data:
H-110 From 17.5 grains to 23.0 grains

Typically, I start in the middle and work my way up if necessary.
Thus, for this load a safe start would be near 20.5 gr.

Chrony and check for group and go from there.

 

[robertc1024]

Thanks for the info gents. For such an oddball load, I think I'll pass on this and stuff the 110 grain bullets in some .38 specials, pack up the .357 brass and get some more normal 158 grain ones.

 

[Deavis]

Thanks for the info gents. For such an oddball load, I think I'll pass on this and stuff the 110 grain bullets in some .38 specials, pack up the .357 brass and get some more normal 158 grain ones.

Don't back off, that is a great loading for 357Mag. H110/296 can go up to 23 grains, which is essentially stuffing the entire case with powder. H110/296 works best with a magnum primer and do not reduce it more than 10% to avoid SEE. Personally, I settled around 22.5gr and it really is impressive with those XTPs. Depending on your gun and brass, you may need adjust. With Starline casings, I've run over 23gr in testing, no sticking and still under proof according to Quickloads. With mixed headstamp, the cheaper foreign stuff will stick in my Taurus but not in my 629. So, if I have those headstamps, I'd back off 0.5gr and it goes away. That is a function of the brass and the chambers, the load is still under SAAMI MAP. Enjoy that loading!

 

[robocop10mm]

H-110/W-296 is a slow burning powder. Magnum primers recommended. Standard primers are likely to yield erratic burn and terrible accuracy.

The heavier bullets give more resistance and allow the pressures to come up to the needed levels to insure proper burn efficiency. The light weights just do not perform as well with the powder that slow.

 

[Deavis]

H-110/W-296 is a slow burning powder. Magnum primers recommended. Standard primers are likely to yield erratic burn and terrible accuracy.

That hasn't been my experience and my data in calibers where I tried out normal primers didn't show anything like what you describe. Even in 50AE with it's much larger charge, no issues getting it going. I wouldn't try it in cold weather but I've never seen anything erratic under normal circumstances and no loss of accuracy. Here are some data showing that.

CAL	POWDER	CHARGE	BULLET	PRIMER	ES	AVG	SD
44MAG	H110	22	.430 300GR XTP JHP - HORNADY	LPMP - #350 - CCI	51	1245.5	15.2
44MAG	H110	22	.430 300GR XTP JHP - HORNADY	LPP - #300 - CCI	39	1151.8	13.7
50AE	H110	34.4	.500 300GR TMJ - SPEER	LPMP - #350 - CCI	42	1384.6	15.5
50AE	H110	34.4	.500 300GR TMJ - SPEER	LPP - #150 - FEDERAL	39	1364.3	14.5
50AE	H110	34.4	.500 300GR TMJ - SPEER	LPP - #300 - CCI	49	1318.2	16.9
500S&W	H110	45	.500 350GR JHP XTP - HORNADY	LRMP - #250 - CCI	71	1695.2	22.7
500S&W	H110	45	.500 350GR JHP XTP - HORNADY	LRMP - WLRM - WINCHESTER	67	1673.4	26
500S&W	H110	45	.500 350GR JHP XTP - HORNADY	LRP - WLR - WINCHESTER	63	1674.6	26.7

As far as H110 and 110gr bullets, it will perform very well. Even out of a 4-5/8" Blackhawk, you can turn in good velocity with it.

CAL	POWDER	CHARGE	PRIMER	ES	AVG	SD
357MAG	2400	19.9	SPP - #500 - CCI	97	1601	32.9
357MAG	BLUE DOT	16	SPP - #500 - CCI	140	1579.2	49.3
357MAG	H110	22.6	SPMP - #550 - CCI	53	1634.4	22.8
357MAG	LONGSHOT	10.5	SPP - #500 - CCI	79	1447.4	28.5
357MAG	NO. 9	19.1	SPP - #500 - CCI	48	1607.6	17.3
357MAG	POWER PISTOL	11	SPP - #500 - CCI	37	1530.6	12.9
357MAG	TITEGROUP	8	SPP - #500 - CCI	57	1376.3	21.9
357MAG	TRUE BLUE	12.5	SPP - #500 - CCI	35	1612.4	12.6

True Blue is a great powder at 10gr less, almost doubling the rounds you can produce with an equivalent amount of powder. H110, however, is still a viable choice for all 357Magnum loads.