Extra ammo in case of stampede .
44 mag for every day carry
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Ask Harold Fish if it's a non-issue
General Zod
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You hope it's a non-issue...
Trail of evidence
The man on trial for murder is a father of 7 with no criminal record. He was a retired schoolteacher whose hobby was hiking. But Harold Fish is accused of killing an unarmed man, a total stranger, just seconds after they met on the same hiking trail. The question is why? John Larson reports.
www.nbcnews.com
Quoted from the story, a common caliber and standard self defense ammo painted by an "expert" to seem sinister and evidence of malice:
The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection. And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body.
When he decided to pull the trigger, the prosecutor said, Fish should have known what the consequences would be.
Now imagine what this "expert" who thinks hollowpoints are unusual and that 10mm is too powerful would describe a .44 magnum as...
General Zod
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Partially, yes, and a judge that wouldn't allow evidence of the history of violence the man who attacked him exhibited. Fish was exonerated after spending three years in prison. But part of his conviction was from a lying "expert" who painted 10mm hollowpoints as some kind of super dangerous ammo that no honest person would carry.
By my math that almost 4 pounds of ammo. Combine that with whatever revolver he's carrying, he could carry 5 or 6 1911's, maybe like 10-12 glocks
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Got charged for using 10mm for self defense..went to trial...got off..but it was very costly and a very bad ordeal for him.
Look it up
I did.
Who would call 10mm overkill if someone is hiking and could encounter wild/dangerous animals.
Who would call 10mm overkill if someone is hiking and could encounter wild/dangerous animals.
Maybe the fact he shot an unarmed man might have something to do with all this?You hope it's a non-issue...
Trail of evidence
The man on trial for murder is a father of 7 with no criminal record. He was a retired schoolteacher whose hobby was hiking. But Harold Fish is accused of killing an unarmed man, a total stranger, just seconds after they met on the same hiking trail. The question is why? John Larson reports.
Quoted from the story, a common caliber and standard self defense ammo painted by an "expert" to seem sinister and evidence of malice:
The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection. And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body.
When he decided to pull the trigger, the prosecutor said, Fish should have known what the consequences would be.
Now imagine what this "expert" who thinks hollowpoints are unusual and that 10mm is too powerful would describe a .44 magnum as...
No indication that the stupid caliber comments had anything at all to do with the conviction.
I would have to see a far better example than this.
Got charged for shooting an unarmed person. The caliber had nothing to do with, other than some stupid comments by the prosecutor, from the story there.
Reality has little to do with it - it's about what a lawyer can sell to the jury and the media...
From the article....
"The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection. And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body"
Sure, not typically used, but he was in dangerous territory.
And, not overkill anyway.
"The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection. And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body"
Sure, not typically used, but he was in dangerous territory.
And, not overkill anyway.
They would have had a field day if he was in bear country carrying a 12ga.
Is one supposed to carry a gun for 4 legged animals, and another for 2 legged animals?
Is one supposed to carry a gun for 4 legged animals, and another for 2 legged animals?
General Zod
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"The stupid caliber comments" came from an "expert" brought in by the prosecution. You can decide not to believe they had anything to do with the conviction, but the prosecutor made them part of the strategy to try to put Fish in jail so they very much did.
As for the "unarmed person" he shot, you mean the guy with the history of violent behavior who attacked him? Whose history the judge refused to allow as evidence, which denied Mr Fish a fair trial? The same judge that refused to allow the forensic investigation of the scene, which showed that the dead guy was charging toward Fish when he was shot, to be admitted as evidence?
Read the story again - the deputy who responded was pretty sure it was clear-cut self-defense, but a friend of the attacker started a petition to have Fish charged and it turned into an effort to railroad him. Luckily he was exonerated, but he had to spend 3 years in prison waiting for it. Ignore what you choose to, but for the rest of us the facts are pretty clear.
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I wouldn't call it overkill at all.
I carry a 44 Mag in Alaska.
None of the jury's post-trial comments made any reference to caliber. They did reference other issues.
I am not passing judgement on whether or not he should have been convicted or if the trial was properly conducted, so please leave that strawman out of the discussion.
Sorry, I am not buying it with regard to caliber having been a determining factor in the jury's decision.
One could be hit on the had by a meteorite. But I am not going to go around under a mobile meteorite shelter. Something to do with probabilities. I will carry what I believe to be an effective caliber without regard to any other factors.
Feel free to have the last word.
General Zod
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Well, hey, I guess you were there so you know better, right? You know how DA's spend the money to hire so-called experts who'll come in so they can have no bearing on the trial...crazy, I know.
Well, you cannot do: Two to the chest and one to the head on five assailants with a six shooter without reloading a couple of times but you can with a 9mm holding 15 in the mag and you'd still have one left over. Just saying that in a jolly & good-natured way, not starting an argument for either type gun.
With a good holster and an oversize shirt, the gun won’t print, but the little red wagon full of speed loaders you’re pulling behind, you might give you away.
Brojon
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The apocryphal stories about DAs making a case over handloads is pure fiction.
Nobody has ever tried that one in a court of law.
The sheer dumbass logic of claiming something is "more deadly" is easy to refute.
Deadly is deadly - there is no more or less dead and all firearms are intended to be deadly.
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