Helmet vs No helmet

[M. Sage]

In that case, let's outlaw ALL unsafe practices.....sorry, guys - but ya'll have been listening to the very voices that you decry - those trying to tell you how to live your lives!

Crackheads, welfare queens, all the other leeches on society - they place a MUCH larger burden on ALL of us than the few injured by riding a motorcycle. IIRC, even horseback riding produces more head injuries.

Bottom line.....stop listening to the "society pays" folks - they are there to FORCE us into doing things THEIR way.....

Exactly. The idea that society can be a victim is progressive nonsense. Society is a non entity, a concept. Not an actual thing.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

You did not say if it was in a flood zone or not or a commercial isn company. But big diff in gutting the inside and completely building a new home.

It was in the flood zone.
True, both times it was 100k+.

 

[ROGER4314]

This is the same issue we get with riding bicycles. I have been a life-long bicycle rider and the move to require one of those styrofoam helmets pisses me off. I was going to ride with a group in Houston and was told that I couldn't ride without a "Helmet." I passed and went home.

I wear a wide brim hat when I ride and need to keep that Texas sun off of me MUCH more that worrying about a bike wreck. I MAY wreck. I WILL get roasted by the sun. It's an easy choice for me. I rode 3,414 miles on bicycles in 2011.

At a bike shop, I tangled with an overeager sales person over those "Helmets". I said that being a motorcycle rider, I KNEW what a REAL helmet was like. I told him the box the damned bicycle lid came in was about as effective as the helmet!

On a bicycle helmet, there is absolutely no protection for the back of your skull PLUS, it won't keep the sun off of you. Then comes the kicker. They sell these little pieces of foam for $50-$100! What a ripoff!

I bought a "Bell" bicycle helmet in case I ever changed my mind about riding with a group. It was about $25 and it's still in the box on top of my bookshelf. There are five motorcycle helmets sitting up there, too. I use the HJC FG3 when I ride the scooter.

That's my "take" on it. Party on!

Flash

 

[Texas42]

Yeah. . . those bicycle helmets are just gimmicks. . . .


I see the Motorcycle helmet vs. no motorcycle helmet as the choice between dumb and dumber.

Motorcycles are never safe . Do want you want with your life.

 

[Texas42]

Oh, and if make it to the hospital, spend a few weeks in ICU, have brain surgery, physical therapy, a few orthopedic surgeries, a ruptures spleen, a 5 or six units of blood, extensive physical therapy. . . you are easily looking at a 6 figure hospital stay, which gets billed to the local tax pays most of the time.

 

[Sugar Land]

Plueezz

 

[TX69]

Flash, I'd bet your hog plays some beautiful music, love that cam lope sound. I had a '01 Vette that, thanks to LG Motorsports, would set-off car alarms like crazy while slowly looking for a spot to park in the parking garage. Almost high 11's but consistent low 12's at the track.

You've made some very valid points. Nonetheless, I'm well aware of the daily risk most take for granted. I've taken care of patients in the ICU with a subdermal hematoma, or other related brain insult, due to just tripped & fell down. Safety rails can be installed for immediate access to the bath tub. Common sense should tell people to not operate the lawn mower while wearing shorts & flip-flops, etc. I mentioned earlier that the road is filled with stupid drivers [that don't make an effort to look for motorcyclist when changing lanes]. It is the law to drive the posted speed limit [I'm guilty of the 5-9mph over], it is against the law to drink & drive. Risk management should be every bodies responsibility, no matter if the risk is to the one or to the many. IMO, even though it's not required by law, it is just plain & simple common sense for a motorcyclist to wear a helmet.

"personal" responsibility. Not you or any government to forbade it by law. Its a personal choice and with that freedom is inherent risk.

 

[TxDad]

 

[ROGER4314]

This thread has been a real eye opener for me. My life has been so different than most of you and my attitude is, too. I don't understand how you think. I don't have a clue what the Hell you do with your lives. It's probably best that I stay in my end of Texas and not mingle with you guys because we would not understand each other at all.

I'm 66 and have absolutely no intention of drawing my last breath while there are still some miles left in this old body. When I croak, there won't be much left to cremate! Completely ignoring the first 1/2 of my life with street violence, alcohol and chemicals, the second 1/2 has been pretty eventful..............

Here's a taste:
Judo, Karate, Boxing, wrestling, motorcycle hill climbing, moto, trials, touring the western us by bike, dirt biking the desert, Master SCUBA Diver, Divemaster, dove the Tongue of the Ocean and Santa Rosa Wall, saved a life, traveled all over the US, changed careers a bunch of times, life long bicycle rider, raced bicycles in Kansas City, earned a Masters Degree, worked in a prison, Jeeping, Jet skiing, water skiing, fast boats (200 horse Black Max....), High power rifle competition, Pistol competition, 30 motorcycles, and had a PILE of women.

The latest? I always wondered about music. I bought a violin, Fender acoustic guitar, several harmonicas and some self instruction books for each. So far, I've learned a Hell of a lot. I may never be a rock star but I'll end up knowing something about music! I'm learning to read music, too. If I tire of that or it isn't as interesting as I thought, I'll give the instruments to the neighborhood kids and move on to the next challenge! You never know until you try.

What the Hell are you saving yourselves for? Get out there and live! Take a risk. Take TEN risks! NO ONE gets outta this place alive even if you hide in a corner and never move!

Flash

 

[Sugar Land]

Me to flash. Opened my eyes to see how many people that fight to keep rights, work soo hard to try to take them away.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

I'm surprised no one has yet made the correlation on this subject to "open carry".

 

[hkusp1]

I think somebody did. It's got to be in here somewhere.


Sent from a creepy ass cracka.

 

[TX69]

Damn Libtards

 

[preyn2]

Why should helmets and seat belts be required? Because trauma leads to the most expensive hospital treatment. Your insurance won't cover all of your bills. No, it just won't. The hospital is really unimpressed by your "30/60/30" policy, or whatever it is. You probably maxed that out before leaving the Emergency Room.

The next time you read the phrase "unfunded trauma care", they're talking about you. Especially in regards to smaller, rural hospitals, unfunded trauma care is caused by too many people not wearing helmets and too many people not wearing seat belts and too many people driving drunk.

No, you didn't personally cause that entire problem. It takes the entire village, idiot. Pardon the comma.

If one person per day comes into a small rural hospital Emergency Room with a serious trauma, and that small rural hospital Emergency Room incurs a $5,000 loss per day, that's over $1.8 million dollars in losses per year. No small hospital can take that. That's why they close. I guarantee you, if the hospital administrator only loses $5,000 per day in the Emergency Room, they're happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah...but they'll let you make $10.00 per month payments.... Seriously? Do you really think the company that sells the bandages, splints, medications, bed sheets, tape, and IV fluids cares how many people are making those $10/month payments? Nope. Here's the bill. Neither does the staff in the ER with families to feed and bills to pay. At least your bill will be paid off in 500 months. We appreciate your prompt payment.

So don't wear your helmet. I don't give two squirts of piss if my Engine Company has to hose your brains off the highway and scrub it with bleach to disinfect the blood stains so the bums under the bridge won't be exposed to your biohazard. In fact, you're doing society a favor if that's the outcome. It's a lot cheaper and easier for everyone. You're over and done with. I get paid the same.

Thanks for helping cause the closure of my rural hospital because you wanted to taste the freedom of my hometown rural highways and splattered your noodle on the highway avoiding a deer. Thanks for taking one of my few ambulances out of service for three hours so they could haul your brain-dying ass to The Big City Trauma Center for all that expensive trauma care that (look it up) your personal insurance is not going to completely cover.

Enjoy your freedom.

 

[Sugar Land]

And for the majority of motorcycle riders that don't have that happen to?

 

[Younggun]

I never reined the majority of unpaid hospital bills come from motorcyclists with no helmets.

I figured it was more likely, oh I don't know, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T PAY THEIR BILLS.


How many small rural hospitals are getting one/day? I know the small hospital where I live might see 2/year.

Please show me some statistical information indicating the costs motorcyclist are incurring on these hospitals.

It would be helpful if this info were broken down based on helmet vs no helmet.

Also, just for fun, lets see the total costs hospitals incur from in paid bills so that we can know what percentage those dirty bike riding bastards represent.

 

[Sugar Land]

What is the ratio of people that crash heads and riders that don't?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Playin those odds, lol....

 

[Sugar Land]

Playin those odds, lol....

Damn right. It don't take much effort to reduce those odds alot.

 

[Sugar Land]

Just not acting like an idiot cuts them way down..lol