Carrying in worship service inside of a school building

[leVieux]

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Our legislators now represent special interest group lobbyists AGAINST their own constituent-electorates.

If we are to claim to be a ‘’Free People’’ our Constitution must be restored !

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[General Zod]

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Our legislators now represent special interest group lobbyists AGAINST their own constituent-electorates.

If we are to claim to be a ‘’Free People’’ our Constitution must be restored !

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Lots of jingoism and slogans. No plan...

 

[leVieux]

Lots of jingoism and slogans. No plan...

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Please offer your suggestion for action.

 

[General Zod]

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Please offer your suggestion for action.

You're the one making all the delcarations. Let's hear your plan.

 

[leVieux]

You're the one making all the delcarations. Let's hear your plan.

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Simple: ‘’SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!’’

Restricting non-criminal Citizens because of crimes of criminals is very non-productive.

Remember for the USA’s first 150+ years; no infringement was allowed.

leVieux
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[General Zod]

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Simple: ‘’SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!’’

Restricting non-criminal Citizens because of crimes of criminals is very non-productive.

Remember for the USA’s first 150+ years; no infringement was allowed.

leVieux
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OK, so what's your plan for making things work they way they're supposed to? It's not gonna happen just because you repeat some slogans. You're calling for sweeping governmental and societal changes that the vast majority of us here already agree with. What strategy do you suggest?

 

[WAA]

What strategy do you suggest?

Hookers and blow.

 

[Sasquatch]

OK, so what's your plan for making things work they way they're supposed to? It's not gonna happen just because you repeat some slogans. You're calling for sweeping governmental and societal changes that the vast majority of us here already agree with. What strategy do you suggest?

Federal courts are already making rulings against sensitive-place prohibitions in light of the Bruen decision.

My approach would be two pronged - lawsuits based on the existing state-level restrictions as violations of the 2A, in addition to a targeted grass-roots lobbying campaign with people pushing their state reps to change our laws, removing places like schools, hospitals, nursing homes, sports arenas and any other place normally open to the public and the like from the law, and eliminating the criminal penalty for simply carrying in a posted place on private property without being verbally asked to remove the weapon or leave the premises.

I'd make certain compromises / allowances for "sensitive places" being actual, honest to God sensitive places, like maybe the secure areas of psychiatric care institutions (not just a doctor's office, but I mean in-patient care areas that require keys or badges to enter, where the general public cannot go unescorted) and in prisons, and *maybe* court rooms without the presiding judge's permission - but any place open to the public that is not access-controlled should not be automatically off limits, nor should there be criminal penalties for carrying there. Simply carrying a gun should not be a crime, period. Even for felons. The unlawful use of the gun should (and is already) the be the crime. Simple possession should never be criminalized.

Right now the best bets as it stands look to be with the courts, especially given that even lefty / liberal judges are facing reality that they must now decide in favor of the people by in large in light of the Bruen decision, and we've seen positive judgements coming out of liberal courts on the state and federal level. I hate to keep bringing up the state of my birth, but a fucking shocker recently was the far-left Oregon Supreme Court blocking the state's implementation of their sweeping anti-gun laws recently, as violations of not the US Constitution, but the state's own constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I think they were honestly trying to get ahead of any federal challenges to the state's law, on 2A grounds. I was honestly shocked they ruled that way, given how they ignored the clear language in the state Constitution when it came to the governor's powers during the COVID scamdemic.

We're seeing other great rulings coming out of other courts as well, including a judge blocking New York's laws regarding sensitive places as being unconstitutional.

Honestly - what LeVieux said isn't wrong - we just need the damn politicians and courts to recognize the plain langauge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more permits, no more sensitive areas, no more restrictions on what types of guns and how many you can carry and when. Its a simple solution but it'll be damn tough to get the power mongers to accept, because a well armed populace that can be armed anywhere and everywhere is harder to control and abuse.

 

[leVieux]

Federal courts are already making rulings against sensitive-place prohibitions in light of the Bruen decision.

My approach would be two pronged - lawsuits based on the existing state-level restrictions as violations of the 2A, in addition to a targeted grass-roots lobbying campaign with people pushing their state reps to change our laws, removing places like schools, hospitals, nursing homes, sports arenas and any other place normally open to the public and the like from the law, and eliminating the criminal penalty for simply carrying in a posted place on private property without being verbally asked to remove the weapon or leave the premises.

I'd make certain compromises / allowances for "sensitive places" being actual, honest to God sensitive places, like maybe the secure areas of psychiatric care institutions (not just a doctor's office, but I mean in-patient care areas that require keys or badges to enter, where the general public cannot go unescorted) and in prisons, and *maybe* court rooms without the presiding judge's permission - but any place open to the public that is not access-controlled should not be automatically off limits, nor should there be criminal penalties for carrying there. Simply carrying a gun should not be a crime, period. Even for felons. The unlawful use of the gun should (and is already) the be the crime. Simple possession should never be criminalized.

Right now the best bets as it stands look to be with the courts, especially given that even lefty / liberal judges are facing reality that they must now decide in favor of the people by in large in light of the Bruen decision, and we've seen positive judgements coming out of liberal courts on the state and federal level. I hate to keep bringing up the state of my birth, but a fucking shocker recently was the far-left Oregon Supreme Court blocking the state's implementation of their sweeping anti-gun laws recently, as violations of not the US Constitution, but the state's own constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I think they were honestly trying to get ahead of any federal challenges to the state's law, on 2A grounds. I was honestly shocked they ruled that way, given how they ignored the clear language in the state Constitution when it came to the governor's powers during the COVID scamdemic.

We're seeing other great rulings coming out of other courts as well, including a judge blocking New York's laws regarding sensitive places as being unconstitutional.

Honestly - what LeVieux said isn't wrong - we just need the damn politicians and courts to recognize the plain langauge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more permits, no more sensitive areas, no more restrictions on what types of guns and how many you can carry and when. Its a simple solution but it'll be damn tough to get the power mongers to accept, because a well armed populace that can be armed anywhere and everywhere is harder to control and abuse.

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’’EXAACKERLY’’

Way too much INFRINGING going-on for me !

leVieux

 

[leVieux]

OK, so what's your plan for making things work they way they're supposed to? It's not gonna happen just because you repeat some slogans. You're calling for sweeping governmental and societal changes that the vast majority of us here already agree with. What strategy do you suggest?

One thing I would like to see, but would require an agreeing US Senate, is to impeach Federal Judges who clearly rule against the Constitution. Unfortunately, as long as we are stuck with leftist zealot Judges & Justices, we’ll keep seeing judicial abuses.

Also, who in the Hell gave the Postmaster General and all these bureaucrats the capability of denying Citizens their clearly defined RIGHTS ?

We must demand serious government reforms.

Anything less is to continue the downslide. . . .

 

[General Zod]

Federal courts are already making rulings against sensitive-place prohibitions in light of the Bruen decision.

My approach would be two pronged - lawsuits based on the existing state-level restrictions as violations of the 2A, in addition to a targeted grass-roots lobbying campaign with people pushing their state reps to change our laws, removing places like schools, hospitals, nursing homes, sports arenas and any other place normally open to the public and the like from the law, and eliminating the criminal penalty for simply carrying in a posted place on private property without being verbally asked to remove the weapon or leave the premises.

I'd make certain compromises / allowances for "sensitive places" being actual, honest to God sensitive places, like maybe the secure areas of psychiatric care institutions (not just a doctor's office, but I mean in-patient care areas that require keys or badges to enter, where the general public cannot go unescorted) and in prisons, and *maybe* court rooms without the presiding judge's permission - but any place open to the public that is not access-controlled should not be automatically off limits, nor should there be criminal penalties for carrying there. Simply carrying a gun should not be a crime, period. Even for felons. The unlawful use of the gun should (and is already) the be the crime. Simple possession should never be criminalized.

Right now the best bets as it stands look to be with the courts, especially given that even lefty / liberal judges are facing reality that they must now decide in favor of the people by in large in light of the Bruen decision, and we've seen positive judgements coming out of liberal courts on the state and federal level. I hate to keep bringing up the state of my birth, but a fucking shocker recently was the far-left Oregon Supreme Court blocking the state's implementation of their sweeping anti-gun laws recently, as violations of not the US Constitution, but the state's own constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I think they were honestly trying to get ahead of any federal challenges to the state's law, on 2A grounds. I was honestly shocked they ruled that way, given how they ignored the clear language in the state Constitution when it came to the governor's powers during the COVID scamdemic.

We're seeing other great rulings coming out of other courts as well, including a judge blocking New York's laws regarding sensitive places as being unconstitutional.

Honestly - what LeVieux said isn't wrong - we just need the damn politicians and courts to recognize the plain langauge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more permits, no more sensitive areas, no more restrictions on what types of guns and how many you can carry and when. Its a simple solution but it'll be damn tough to get the power mongers to accept, because a well armed populace that can be armed anywhere and everywhere is harder to control and abuse.

I never said he was wrong. I challenged him to come up with an actual plan like your response.

 

[Axxe55]

I never said he was wrong. I challenged him to come up with an actual plan like your response.

always easier for some to spout off rhetoric than to actually come up withviable option that might actually workthey think inflammatory speeches make changes!

 

[leVieux]

I never said he was wrong. I challenged him to come up with an actual plan like your response.

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If you’re waiting for me to solve the Nations’ political problems, please don’t hold your breath.

leVieux
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[Axxe55]

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If you’re waiting for me to solve the Nations’ political problems, please don’t hold your breath.

leVieux
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we all know you're more of a catchy sound bite kind of person than someone who might actually think about how to solve problems

 

[Eastexasrick]

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If you’re waiting for me to solve the Nations’ political problems, please don’t hold your breath.

leVieux
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Let me start with that is the funniest thing you have ever said. No caps, no rant, just flat-out dead pan. How can you deliver that line without cracking yourself up to the point you can't catch your breath? Or in my case soil my shorts. The best comedians have the hardest time delivering with dead pan lines.

That's it, I am back to smart-ass comments, as soon as you will get back to yourself.

 

[Axxe55]

Let me start with that is the funniest thing you have ever said. No caps, no rant, just flat-out dead pan. How can you deliver that line without cracking yourself up to the point you can't catch your breath? Or in my case soil my shorts. The best comedians have the hardest time delivering with dead pan lines.

That's it, I am back to smart-ass comments, as soon as you will get back to yourself.

solving problems require actually thinking with a functioning brain

 

[leVieux]

Hypothetical question: if the OP asked the superintendent for written permission allowing carry on weekends during religious services, could that letter be made out to any guest in the congregation or would it need to be addressed to each attending member separately? The way the exception in the 46.03 rule states it makes it sound like the written permission needs to be issued per person. What a drag. Just remove the unconstituonal prohibition and move on.

IIRC, there has been a recent ruling on this, too.

 

[General Zod]

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If you’re waiting for me to solve the Nations’ political problems, please don’t hold your breath.

leVieux
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Nope. I just wanted you to present something - anything - besides simply throwing out end goals and slogans. Sasquatch made it easy for you - you actually suggested a small course of action when you piggybacked on his well thought out response.

Otherwise, though, you were reminding me of the Obama style of problem solving:

"We're going to do it better than the previous administration."

Really? How? What's your plan?

"We'll do it better by focusing our efforts on doing it better, and as a result we'll do it better by doing it better."

 

[leVieux]

Nope. I just wanted you to present something - anything - besides simply throwing out end goals and slogans. Sasquatch made it easy for you - you actually suggested a small course of action when you piggybacked on his well thought out response.

Otherwise, though, you were reminding me of the Obama style of problem solving:

"We're going to do it better than the previous administration."

Really? How? What's your plan?

"We'll do it better by focusing our efforts on doing it better, and as a result we'll do it better by doing it better."

Gee, Aren’t these ‘’comments’’ ?

I didn’t realize that you could demand a ‘’plan’’.

If you don’t like comments, you don’t have to read them.

I never implied that I knew how to fix a century of political & judicial intrusions. Nor, to your satisfaction.

leVieux

 

[General Zod]

Gee, Aren’t these ‘’comments’’ ?

I didn’t realize that you could demand a ‘’plan’’.

If you don’t like comments, you don’t have to read them.

I never implied that I knew how to fix a century of political & judicial intrusions. Nor, to your satisfaction.

leVieux

Comments, yeah...that really added nothing to the conversation. OP asks "hey, is there a way around the prohibition on carrying where we're worshipping" and your response is "Change the government from the ground up!" Dude just wants to carry while he worships, man.

After a while, I decided to see if you had more than soundbites. I suppose now I know. We've gotten into "how dare you question me" territory.