Ok, so for all that added complexity, what do you gain? A trigger that can't be serviced? 4 delicate screws
Not all 4 screws need to be removed. Only 1 screw on each pin, then, push them out from one side.
Ok, so for all that added complexity, what do you gain? A trigger that can't be serviced? 4 delicate screws
Sigh...Ok so you like MIL spec style triggers.... I get it. But saying I can't service or field strip my AR with a drop in at the range with the tools I bring
Read my guy, read. The standard AR15 style FCG has zero screws. Anti walk pins have 4. Thus you are adding 4 screws. I didn't say anything about hom many you need to remove in that reply.Not all 4 screws need to be removed. Only 1 screw on each pin, then, push them out from one side.
Sigh...
On an AR, no matter what, if you remove the trigger group, that is getting into detail stripping.
In order to clear the failure i posted a pic of, you have to field strip the gun to get out the firing pin
If it were a cassette style trigger, you have to detail strip the gun, by removing at least 2 screws and removing the FCG. That is getting into detail stripping.
Please go back and re-read what i wrote, i never said you couldn't strip your AR, but you will have trouble servicing your trigger since many are not user-serviceable.
The OP has yet to tell us what he plans on using it for, he said it's his first. I'll consider that a clue.I read what you typed... seems your making it into more than it is.
It's not a battle rifle & either trigger you need to split the upper from the lower & pins still need to be removed.
Drop in triggers should only be used if your lower has off axis pin holes.
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And not be able to fix it if you don't have the right tools to remove the anti walk pins.
A standard style trigger can be fixed with nothing more than a firing pin
Taking apart the BCG is part of the field strip process.You talking about a detailed stripping but, your way, you have to pull the BCB apart to use a firing pin to remove MIL spec pins.
That sounds like a detailed stripping to me once you have the BCG pulled apart, then the chance of loosing the carter pin that holds the BCG together.
You do you brother.
You usually have some good info & a lot of guys look up to you for gun info like my boy @Sam7sf . But your really not making much sense talking about a detailed stripping by removing the FCG in the same sentence as saying pull apart your BCG. Sure sounds like a detailed stripping to me.
Because of what i said...Why do I need to pull apart my BCG when the trigger is the issue. Just carry a Allen wrench in your tools you take to the range if you have a drop in.... problem solved.
By your logic a mechanic would pull an engine to change spark plugs.
In oder to clear the failure i posted a pic of, you have to field strip the gun to get out the firing pin
Because of what i said...
Yet my point is that with a standard ar trigger, the tool is already there, in the rifle. It's always there. No matter where you are or where your tools are.There are other ways than using a firing pin.... a little Allen wrench makes a good pry tool as well. Your way ain't the only way.... think outside that little box you painted.
Yet my point is that with a standard ar trigger, the tool is already there, in the rifle. It's always there. No matter where you are or where your tools are.
It's not my way, it's Eugene Stoner's way. It James Sullivan's way. It's Melvin Johnson's way.
Ok. Again, didn't say we were.WE'RE NOT IN A BATTLEFIELD !!!!!!
Ok. Again, didn't say we were.
You are reading far too deeply into what i write. Battlefield or not, there are plenty of situations where you might not have the tools handy.Every reply you've made implies a battle field scenario with no tools.... I agreed with you for the simplicity of a MIL spec trigger vs drop in. Your making it seem the only trigger is a MIL spec for a AR platform & anything else is not of Eugene Stoners design & therfore is no other option.
But there is one unit that pops out.Sigh...
On an AR, no matter what, if you remove the trigger group, that is getting into detail stripping.
In order to clear the failure i posted a pic of, you have to field strip the gun to get out the firing pin
If it were a cassette style trigger, you have to detail strip the gun, by removing at least 2 screws and removing the FCG. That is getting into detail stripping.
Please go back and re-read what i wrote, i never said you couldn't strip your AR, but you will have trouble servicing your trigger since many are not user-serviceable.
I said why something was done the way it was, and how it was intended to be used,
For "budget" builds, I am quite fond of Rock River Arms 2 Stage National Match trigger. I've got them on 2 of my AR's.
Can be found for about $80 on sale.