Not Everyone Is Cutout For Police Work

[DoubleDuty]

Those cops need better training. They suck at shooting and that pos should have been shot dead since he refused to comply

 

[Sasquatch]

Those cops need better training. They suck at shooting and that pos should have been shot dead since he refused to comply

Supposedly the suspect *did* expire from his wounds, the officer was injured but survived and was critically injured.

Greenfield police have released video of a shooting that left a Milwaukee man dead and an officer critically injured

The edited video depicts an Aug. 22 incident that began with an unidentified Greenfield police officer stopping a vehicle for running a red light.

www.jsonline.com

 

[DoubleDuty]

Supposedly the suspect *did* expire from his wounds, the officer was injured but survived and was critically injured.

Greenfield police have released video of a shooting that left a Milwaukee man dead and an officer critically injured

The edited video depicts an Aug. 22 incident that began with an unidentified Greenfield police officer stopping a vehicle for running a red light.

www.jsonline.com

I meant he should have been shot dead in his car.

 

[Sasquatch]

I meant he should have been shot dead in his car.

Agreed. FemCop should've emptied the 16-18 rounds in her M&P into the bastard instead of orbiting the scene and watching the perp damn near execute her partner.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Commentary from the olden days. No vest, nothing, shirt and t-shirt under it. The gun was never unholstered unless a threat presented itself. We didn't approach vehicles or anything with drawn weapons. I thought maybe that was all TV BS but evidently that is being taught today. I was forced to wear body armour one time when on a Presidential protection detail. I couldn't do the job today

Don't take this as bashing at all huge respect for the guys who did this job back in the day.

Just like the military, training and tactics evolve. We use body armor, cover and tactics only SWAT used back in the day and as a result officer deaths and injuries are down.

These guys at least had their guns out, but without armor, 2 or three could have easily been dead. He never had more than one gun on him at a time.
Had they done the way I have been trained, they would have kept distance, used cover and concealment, called him to them so he was at a severe disadvantage had all three guns on him and if he fired all three could have safely unloaded on him and stayed a lot safer in the process. As it was at he was able to engage and defeat each officer individually resulting in at least two officers were injured, three had aimed shots fired at them the armed suspect in loose and one officer is to panicky to even use the radio.

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[jrbfishn]

And she never tried to rack or even look past the sight picture.
She failed.

I don't care if you're filling vending machines, chasing trouble on the power grid, patrolling the hood or rolling a humvee through Baghdad.
You have to trust your partner and they have to trust you.

That gal ain't trustworthy.

I agree 100%.
I don't care how good a cop she is in any other circumstance, she was an abject failure when it counted most.

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[A1Oni]

wow cops having shoddy training leading to them getting shot, who could of seen this coming?

 

[Maverick44]

Her mindset is going to get her, her partner, or an innocent person killed. She is definitely not cut out for field work.

 

[benenglish]

wow cops having shoddy training leading to them getting shot, who could of seen this coming?

Which, specifically, of the cops have shoddy training?

If we're talking about the woman, are you implying that adequate training could overcome her basic mindset?

 

[Renegade]

Which, specifically, of the cops have shoddy training?

If we're talking about the woman, are you implying that adequate training could overcome her basic mindset?

1) Male cop should never get in front of vehicle, and put his face close to glass to look inside.
2) Female cop apparently does not know how to clear a jam or reload.
3) Male cop had light on gun on, female did not.

It is more than mindset.

 

[A1Oni]

Which, specifically, of the cops have shoddy training?

If we're talking about the woman, are you implying that adequate training could overcome her basic mindset?

in general what gets people killed is either beginner mistakes, or getting blind-sided, some things you cant help like the fight or flight response, but you can train yourself to get past your primitive instincts via mindset and training. and sadly your average beatcop cant hit the broad side of a barn nor do they have the gumption or sense of duty to the people to put themselves in harms way for the common man or their fellow man. in most police departments the requirements for getting hired are quite low, and lots of military washouts or jerks with an authority complex get hired which leads to unfortunate incidents like this and many more.

 

[Axxe55]

in general what gets people killed is either beginner mistakes, or getting blind-sided, some things you cant help like the fight or flight response, but you can train yourself to get past your primitive instincts via mindset and training. and sadly your average beatcop cant hit the broad side of a barn nor do they have the gumption or sense of duty to the people to put themselves in harms way for the common man or their fellow man. in most police departments the requirements for getting hired are quite low, and lots of military washouts or jerks with an authority complex get hired which leads to unfortunate incidents like this and many more.

Please show some credible examples of all this you are claiming.

Show us where their firearms qualifications are failing in teaching officers how to shoot accurately. You are aware that LE officers have to qualify at least yearly to carry their firearms certification?

No amount of training will ever get someone past a mindset of being a coward. Not IMO it won't.

Care to show us the hiring qualifications that are so low that they will hire military washouts, or jerks with an authority complex?

Please, if you are going to make these grandiose statements, that IMO are just broad generalizations, or stereotypes that some people have, please provide some credible examples and sources to back up your claims and statements.

ETA: You are entitled to your opinions, but please stop posting them as if they were factual, when anyone with any common sense knows they aren't.

 

[cycleguy2300]

in general what gets people killed is either beginner mistakes, or getting blind-sided, some things you cant help like the fight or flight response, but you can train yourself to get past your primitive instincts via mindset and training. and sadly your average beatcop cant hit the broad side of a barn nor do they have the gumption or sense of duty to the people to put themselves in harms way for the common man or their fellow man. in most police departments the requirements for getting hired are quite low, and lots of military washouts or jerks with an authority complex get hired which leads to unfortunate incidents like this and many more.

When was the last time you qualed with "most beat cops"?

We qual from the holster, incorporate reloads, movement and go out to 25y. If you don't score 80, its a fail. Cops and mil dgaf about shooting neat dime sized slow fire groups, I just want vital zone hits. It's annoying to hear this kind of ignorant crap over and over.

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[cycleguy2300]

Please show some credible examples of all this you are claiming.

Show us where their firearms qualifications are failing in teaching officers how to shoot accurately. You are aware that LE officers have to qualify at least yearly to carry their firearms certification?

No amount of training will ever get someone past a mindset of being a coward. Not IMO it won't.

Care to show us the hiring qualifications that are so low that they will hire military washouts, or jerks with an authority complex?

Please, if you are going to make these grandiose statements, that IMO are just broad generalizations, or stereotypes that some people have, please provide some credible examples and sources to back up your claims and statements.

Typical wanna-be but couldnt sour-grapes nonsense.

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[SQLGeek]

When was the last time you qualed with "most beat cops"?

We qual from the holster, incorporate reloads, movement and go out to 25y. If you don't score 80, its a fail. Cops and mil dgaf about shooting neat dime sized slow fire groups, I just want vital zone hits. It's annoying to hear this kind of ignorant crap over and over.

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Ties in with what I was going on about the other day about sports officiating. A lot of self-appointed experts without any actual experience. The stakes, of course, are not even close to comparable between sports and police work.

 

[Renegade]

The main takeaway for me is you need a New York Reload.

If a slide rack cannot clear your gun, it might be down for a longtime before it is working again and that is too long, you need to go to a second gun.

malf drills are fine, but nothing beats seeing how fast you can clear a jam and get back on target then when it happens in practice unexpectedly.

 

[Chuckles]

Here is the story related to the incident, if you watch the video the vehicles involved in the crash appear to be the same. Note how the family once again claims “he dindu nuffin”, despite videographic evidence to the contrary.

Family of man killed by police wants to know what led to shooting

Greenfield police officers shot and killed Tyran Lamb, 31, about 1:35 a.m. Sunday near South 27th and West Becher streets.

www.wisn.com

 

[Sasquatch]

Here is the story related to the incident, if you watch the video the vehicles involved in the crash appear to be the same. Note how the family once again claims “he dindu nuffin”, despite videographic evidence to the contrary.

Family of man killed by police wants to know what led to shooting

Greenfield police officers shot and killed Tyran Lamb, 31, about 1:35 a.m. Sunday near South 27th and West Becher streets.

www.wisn.com

No shit "what lead to the shooting" - he failed to stop when police initiated a traffic stop. He ran at high speed, blew a red light, crashed into some innocents, then shot at the police, critically wounding one of them before other officers who pursued him were able to put him down. **** his family - the apple certainly doesn't seem to have fallen far from that tree.

 

[Renegade]

Here is the story related to the incident, if you watch the video the vehicles involved in the crash appear to be the same. Note how the family once again claims “he dindu nuffin”, despite videographic evidence to the contrary.

Family of man killed by police wants to know what led to shooting

Greenfield police officers shot and killed Tyran Lamb, 31, about 1:35 a.m. Sunday near South 27th and West Becher streets.

www.wisn.com

"My son did not jump out the car and shoot at an officer," Tahnisha Lamb said.

The dirt bag also critically injured the woman in the truckm she cannot walk

 

[Hoji]

Fucking mindset.

She didn't expect to be shot at or have to shoot someone and her OODA loop was disrupted. Her lack of warrior mindset exposed others to harm and exposed her as a coward. She needs to fucking turn in her badge. Rounds on target end gun fights, not screams and running away. If it was a weapon malfunction, fucking fix it and get into the fucking fight.

I will be a "use of force" actor later this week for some cadet training. I am sure there will be at least one scenario where they are lulled into complacency and we pounce. When we do they better fight back.

Compare hers to this guy:

(NSFW) Fatal Headshot on Suspect Ends Intense Shootout With Escondido Officer

Escondido Police Department have released body worn footage from an incident which occurred on September 17th, 2021. The incident left a 20-year-old male bystander wounded and a 38-year-old male suspect deceased.

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Officer did an outstanding job. Even to the point of reloading before he hit slide lock , keeping his gun pointed at the threat.