I was amazed at this gunsmith/gun shop talk about price gouging

[Aus_Schwaben]

Everyone is for free markets and capitalism until they are caught short.

I guess TGT needs a forum with designated overseers (ammunition commissars) who can set prices and quantities to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. No wait, then people would go to other sites to buy and sell, leaving TGT with a shortage.

I bet the Democrats have a plan to make a planned economy work in the U.S. Perhaps those who feel slighted on ammo could contact the Dems for a plan to make ammunition distribution fair. Having watched planned economies over the years, I am certain it will be entertaining.

 

[Hoji]

I had THE best prices at the show on most of the ammo I had for sale as per more than one person who purchased from me. If people are too lazy to go to Academy Sports, or buy online, or have enough surplus to get them through, or are just incapable because of work, then if they are willing to buy, I will sell what I can if I have it. No one is forced to buy from me and anyone could have gone to the store lke like me to buy it themselves - but the ones who bought from me did not do so for whatever reason.

I bought at high prices - not lowball prices - and I resold for a usually small profit although some things sold for way more than I imagined they would sell. It took me about 20 trips to Academy to purchase what little ammo I had for sale plus several purchases on line. I used many hours of my time and quite a bit of gasoline in my car driving back and forth on trips sometimes for nothing because they did not have anything I wanted in stock. It's called working for what I got, then reselling it, also known as entrepreneurship and the fee market. When they had in stock, I bought a little of this and that, I did not suck up everything I could buy as you said I did. In fact, Academy Sports near me only has limits on 9mm, 45, 223 and 7.62x39. I bought a little of each. I did buy quite a bit for myself of a certain caliber but that was not for resale. Edited to add: I forgot to mention, most of the ammo I had for sale I already owned long before this buying frenzy. Do you also have a problem with me selling what I had already! I made the biggest profit on a can of 420 rounds of green tip 5.53, probably 5 years old. I replensihed some of my ammo stock with what I got at Academy and sold off my older ammo but I know - you think that is part of the problem too.

I also sell on GunBroker. I have 5 boxes of 30-30 up for sale right now. The required opening bid was $150 or $30 per box. Seem high to you? Well, 30-30 has been selling for around $40 to $45 per box on GunBroker and sometimes over $50 per box. I am selling what I have to others who do not have it and I am offering it for sale to them at lower prices than most. If the bidding goes up so be it but if not I am happy to let it go at the lower bid that was the required opening bid. Some examples of what people are bidding on it: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881020084, https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880380005 and https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880525587. Go look yourself, there are others.

I was also selling guns at the show from my personal collection - looking to make a little bit or at least break even. I sold a Colt Detective Special at the show, first variation and made a whopping $16 over what I paid for it (and that does not include the gas and hotel stay on my 600 mile round trip to get to the auction nor my time). Does that bug you too, well I do not give a rat's arse if it does so. It's what guns shows are all about - selling guns & ammo.

As for your insulting neckbeard remark and you calling me the problem - people who came to my table and folks who bid on my GB items all seem happy I had what I had for sale and they were happy to spend at my table or bid in my auctions as opposed to others because of my lower prices. Now you may not like that and it is your privilege to spout off what you think about me buying and selling ammo but as for your insulting name calling remarks all I can say is - f-u-c-k off with your spouting off by way of your holier than thou attitude.

I am so glad you did not take me up on my offer to do your LEOSA qual shoot for free when I offered.

I have never charged for a LTC class, instructor requal, or LEOSA qual to anyone on any of the boards I post on. I have my reasons for that.

When I worked offshore and over seas on a 28/28 rotation I would do the get to the store first and get ammo thing, but to shoot, not resell at 3x to someone who had a 9-5 and couldn’t wait in line with their unbranched family tree to buy as much as possible.

I personally don’t care what you do, but when you brag about neckbearding and qualify it with “ my scalper price was sooooo much lower than the other beards at the gunshow/gunbroker/etc” on a community gun forum, well, that is just trashy.

 

[SQLGeek]

2032 It's over.

Well the good news is that we'll still have plenty of years of our professional career at that point. Look at all those years we won't have to pay into the system. That's how this will work right?

 

[GoPappy]

Everyone is for free markets and capitalism until they are caught short.

I guess TGT needs a forum with designated overseers (ammunition commissars) who can set prices and quantities to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. No wait, then people would go to other sites to buy and sell, leaving TGT with a shortage.

I bet the Democrats have a plan to make a planned economy work in the U.S. Perhaps those who feel slighted on ammo could contact the Dems for a plan to make ammunition distribution fair. Having watched planned economies over the years, I am certain it will be entertaining.

In my post I was very clear that it’s a free country and Glenn can go neckbeard it up all he wants to. I said nothing about restricting his ability to neckbeard until his heart is content.

But that also means I have the freedom to not like it and to voice my opinion. Just like you do.

 

[candcallen]

I will be forgoing it because the math says when I am eligible it will not exist. 2032 It's over. Must be nice to be able to collect on something that the rest of us pay for. Social Security is the pure definition of a ponzi scheme.

That's not what the math says, it says full funding may be impossible at current payment rates, glad to hear you principle go with your mouth. We shall see if you're all hot air if you become disabled or retire. Regardless of your blustering you wont get off the hook and will have to decide on taking part or not at that time.

You wanna change the system or bitch about it? Then do something but leave people alone about personal issues. There are also people outta work or under employed who used ammo flipping in the recession and now to meet Bill's like food and power. I didnt like it then or now cause the shelves are empty. I hate gun prices cause I refuse to pay double and even bitch about them but it's not personal attacks on individual people.

What if you buy and sell other stuff like liquidation pallets or yard sale stuff? Does that piss you off? Most disabled or retired people have to supplement their income or chose which meds to ration.

The ammo flipping is frustrating to say the least. Mostly because its panic driven and short sighted. I wont fight thru lines or pay more than shelf prices if it comes to that but I still have enough ammo for my purposes. Others dont and at least for now we dont have ration cards.

On to the next bs.

Oh and dont forget, disability isnt expected planned for or desired. No one wants to go from working and making a living to poverty level and not supporting their family. They and all of you will take what ever help you can get, especially if you paid into the system. To suggest otherwise is bald faced unbelievable bullsheit and is really destructive to ones credibility and ability to be taken seriously.

 

[candcallen]

Yes. A very good deal. Bersa makes fine pistols.

Now I know the world has gone stark raving mad.

 

[avvidclif]

I am so glad you did not take me up on my offer to do your LEOSA qual shoot for free when I offered.

I have never charged for a LTC class, instructor requal, or LEOSA qual to anyone on any of the boards I post on. I have my reasons for that.

When I worked offshore and over seas on a 28/28 rotation I would do the get to the store first and get ammo thing, but to shoot, not resell at 3x to someone who had a 9-5 and couldn’t wait in line with their unbranched family tree to buy as much as possible.

I personally don’t care what you do, but when you brag about neckbearding and qualify it with “ my scalper price was sooooo much lower than the other beards at the gunshow/gunbroker/etc” on a community gun forum, well, that is just trashy.

Don't ask why GB is blocked by me, I had to open his statement to confirm I was right.

 

[toddnjoyce]

...I bought at high prices - not lowball prices - and I resold for a usually small profit ...

I’m glad you’re able to do that and make a go of it at operating a small resale business. I hope you’re keeping in mind the IRS reporting requirements to avoid complications.

 

[Hoji]

I’m glad you’re able to do that and make a go of it at operating a small resale business. I hope you’re keeping in mind the IRS reporting requirements to avoid complications.

If he is buying at Academy, he is not buying at high prices. That is a lie.

 

[Glenn B]

I’m glad you’re able to do that and make a go of it at operating a small resale business. I hope you’re keeping in mind the IRS reporting requirements to avoid complications.

Yes, I obey tax laws as far as I am aware & pay my due taxes too and I pay attention to the state sales tax regulations as well.

ETA: By the way, I am not in business but will pay taxes if necessary on my profits even though the sales amount to hobby sales (because as far as I am aware that is still an IRS requirement although that may have changed under the Trump tax laws which I will check at tax time). I did the same when I bred reptiles and sold off excess stock at a couple or few shows a year back some time ago. Paid sales tax to NYS several times and had the permit to do collect sales tax (I never charged anyone sales tax, just took it out of my sales and paid it to the state).

 

[rotor]

Why are we criticizing people who buy low and sell higher? Every business in the U.S. lives on doing that. If we are involved with a product, we are not in business for very long if we sell at a loss. Same for service oriented business, if we charge less than what is needed to maintain a profit we are out of business.
Those complaining about ammo, primers, bullets, toilet paper all had their opportunity to buy when the price was right. When Warren Buffet does this we call him brilliant. When a TGT person does this small time we call him names.

 

[Hoji]

Why are we criticizing people who buy low and sell higher? Every business in the U.S. lives on doing that. If we are involved with a product, we are not in business for very long if we sell at a loss. Same for service oriented business, if we charge less than what is needed to maintain a profit we are out of business.
Those complaining about ammo, primers, bullets, toilet paper all had their opportunity to buy when the price was right. When Warren Buffet does this we call him brilliant. When a TGT person does this small time we call him names.

It is the bragging about waiting in line to grab it for resale instead of shooting it.
Then patting themselves on the back for scalping for less than what the other neckies that were in line with them at academy were.

That tends to make one an unequivocal scumbag.

If they were selling off stash from the last 3 years, that is something else.

 

[Glenn B]

It is always the same few, the haters as I see them, who seemingly truly hate anyone who does things differently than the way they madate others should do things who get their panties in a wad about the habits of others. They oppose things others do, that they do not like, no matter who does them, that is until they themselves do them - then suddenly it's okay for them to do those things. The perfect example is that guy who tells everyone how wonderful are snakes, part of nature we should look at but not harm and who tells us to essentially to leave them alone or just to relocate venmous instead of shooting them. Then, he went out with a vengence to seek out and kill the one that bit his dog. When someone called him out on it he flipped out and showed a photo of a fight ring, in his his reply post, where he insinuated they should meet. There are a few others like him on this forum, usually not worth reading their posts or replying directly to them, so put them on ignore and maybe every now and then look at what they wrote in any given thread. Instead of replying directly here in this one, I'll just let them cause their own heads to explode - they need no help from me.

 

[rotor]

It is the bragging about waiting in line to grab it for resale instead of shooting it.

That tends to make one an unequivocal scumbag.

Why? It isn't easy waiting in line to get something. It is work. I went to vote yesterday. The lines were unbelievable. I will try on another day. Every ammo purchase you or I have ever made has involved a middleman of some sort and they take their cut. Does the middle man have to shoot the ammo that passes through his hands? Look at it this way, the person is actually working by standing in line, let's say he buys the ammo and can't sell it. He has probably paid a somewhat inflated price. If he is stuck with it he can either shoot it eventually or take a loss.
I still have ammo that I "overpaid" for in 2013 crisis. We all have the same capability to buy when the price is right, unfortunately it is always a trick to know when that time is there.
To be honest, I won't wait in line to buy. But I did know when to buy most of my stuff and don't feel sorry for those short stocked. I have offered .380 ACP at $50 a box of 50 as I bough a ton of it and don't need it anymore. No takers. I don't care if it sells or not. I am not in the business of selling ammo but would get rid of overstock. I certainly won't sell at a loss.

 

[Hoji]

It is always the same few, the haters as I see them, who seemingly truly hate anyone who does things differently than the way they madate others should do things who get their panties in a wad about the habits of others. They oppose things others do, that they do not like, no matter who does them, that is until they themselves do them - then suddenly it's okay for them to do those things. The perfect example is that guy who tells everyone how wonderful are snakes, part of nature we should look at but not harm and who tells us to essentially to leave them alone or just to relocate venmous instead of shooting them. Then, he went out with a vengence to seek out and kill the one that bit his dog. When someone called him out on it he flipped out and showed a photo of a fight ring, in his his reply post, where he insinuated they should meet. There are a few others like him on this forum, usually not worth reading their posts or replying directly to them, so put them on ignore. Instead of replying directly, I'll just let them cause their own heads to explode - they need no help from me.

You really want to go here?

 

[Darkpriest667]

Well the good news is that we'll still have plenty of years of our professional career at that point. Look at all those years we won't have to pay into the system. That's how this will work right?

You damn well know they will make us keep paying for the massive unfunded liability that it and medicare/medicaid are. People here and elsewhere bitch about the debt. That is ONLY 23 Trillion dollars. The unfunded liabilities for social security and medicare/medicaid are over 100 trillion dollars. a 6.2% payroll tax isn't going to cover it. We're basically fucked.

 

[SQLGeek]

Yep. Sadly, you are correct.

 

[Darkpriest667]

That's not what the math says, it says full funding may be impossible at current payment rates, glad to hear you principle go with your mouth. We shall see if you're all hot air if you become disabled or retire. Regardless of your blustering you wont get off the hook and will have to decide on taking part or not at that time.

You wanna change the system or bitch about it? Then do something but leave people alone about personal issues. There are also people outta work or under employed who used ammo flipping in the recession and now to meet Bill's like food and power. I didnt like it then or now cause the shelves are empty. I hate gun prices cause I refuse to pay double and even bitch about them but it's not personal attacks on individual people.

What if you buy and sell other stuff like liquidation pallets or yard sale stuff? Does that piss you off? Most disabled or retired people have to supplement their income or chose which meds to ration.

The ammo flipping is frustrating to say the least. Mostly because its panic driven and short sighted. I wont fight thru lines or pay more than shelf prices if it comes to that but I still have enough ammo for my purposes. Others dont and at least for now we dont have ration cards.

On to the next bs.

Oh and dont forget, disability isnt expected planned for or desired. No one wants to go from working and making a living to poverty level and not supporting their family. They and all of you will take what ever help you can get, especially if you paid into the system. To suggest otherwise is bald faced unbelievable bullsheit and is really destructive to ones credibility and ability to be taken seriously.

You're some kind of special aren't you. No wonder you never come hang out with us you can't do basic accounting to be able to afford to make the trip.

Unless you are some sort of idiot savant that knows some sort accounting trick the BEST case scenario is 2035.. The more likely scenario that I pointed out is 2032 and at the current rate of depletion it could be as early as 2027.

Trustees Report Summary

A SUMMARY OF THE 2023 ANNUAL REPORTS

www.ssa.gov

go ahead and do the math genius, show us here.. on the board how it lasts longer.

Yep. Sadly, you are correct.

Unfortunately I usually am.

 

[rotor]

Talk about thread drift. Linking medicare and medicaid is a huge mistake. I am on medicare and I can tell you it is NOT free. They deduct from my social security so the amount is kind of hidden, they deduct even more if you still have an income, doesn't cover more than the basic and still a large deductible. No drug coverage, hearing checks, glasses, or dental care. So, if you work hard all your life you get a plan that is shi**iar than what you had before you hit 65. Now medicaid is for those that are essentially non-producers all of their life. They get everything for free including all of the stuff that the senior on medicare doesn't get. Free dental, free everything. The welfare state provides for those that don't pay into the system. Ever need a dental implant on medicare, be prepared to pay an arm and a leg literally.

 

[candcallen]

You're some kind of special aren't you. No wonder you never come hang out with us you can't do basic accounting to be able to afford to make the trip.

Unless you are some sort of idiot savant that knows some sort accounting trick the BEST case scenario is 2035.. The more likely scenario that I pointed out is 2032 and at the current rate of depletion it could be as early as 2027.

Trustees Report Summary

A SUMMARY OF THE 2023 ANNUAL REPORTS

www.ssa.gov

go ahead and do the math genius, show us here.. on the board how it lasts longer.




Unfortunately I usually am.

You must be an ignorant phuck. Did you actually read what you posted? Did you read what I posted? Can you understand the words I'm writing now? I would cut and paste from your link but you must have read it first, right?

You just posted the proof for exactly what I said. That beginning in the 2030s the social security disability and Medicare funding wont disappear rather they wont be able to fund expenses at 100 percent, or as I said "FULL funding will be impossible at current rates".

If nothing changes they will have to fund at a percentage of your social security or disability payment.

So you will have the opportunity to stand on you're principle and let someone else have the money you are supposed to get.

You are even more ignorant if you think the third rail of American Politics will be allowed to fund at 80 percent. I hope you're still working so you will have the privilege of paying increased FICA taxes. You will feel that much better when you refuse your repayment of those thru social security when you retire. Or better yet beam with pride after you're disabled and your family is evicted from your home cause you refused repayment of those taxes thru disability benefits on your retarded principles.

Why dont you go autofornicate while you take some remedial reading is fundamental classes at the local 3rd grade class room.