Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[Ole Cowboy]

The military is basically never on the leading edge of anything. Only the lesser known divisions have the new stuff.

Things could have changed since I retired in '94 and I would not doubt that Obama set the military back a few years.

I was the PM (Program Manager) and the ICP (Information Class Proponent) Training Automation for the Army, most of my career was in R&D, in '85 I had a Sun Workstation on my desk with Fiber Optic network connectivity. It was my office ATIMP (Army Training & Information Management Program) that developed the Field Fiber Optic Splicing Device, I had AT&T under contract and IIRC I spent about $12M to do it. My IT budget was about $127M.

I retired in '94, went to work for a major Consulting-Accounting company that focused on the Fortune 500 and mostly worked in the Fortune 150, I was a consulting Chief Technical Officer CTO.

Like you said and I thought the military was light years behind, not what I saw at all, light years ahead, to be honest, I was shocked by how far Corp America was behind what I was used to.

 

[oldag]

Let those who want electric cars have 'em.

Just leave the rest of us alone.

 

[pronstar]

Nice try guys, but in order to have used and recon'd you MUST have USED stock to work from. At that time used and recon'd was sparsely available at best, so he had no other choice but to go to Toyota. IIRC it was 2002 or 2003 when his went belly up.

Hybrid batteries have always had 10 year / 100k miles warranties. Warranty is even longer in states that adopt CA emissions.

The Prius went on sale in 2001.



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[FireInTheWire]

For good.

Mr. Musk is finishing what Tesla started many, many years ago.

 

[kbaxter60]

If they were reasonably priced for me and could completely replace my 8 cylinder Truck and my 4 cylinder car I would buy one

More options are coming. Tesla truck in 2020? Whether it can replace what you have in ICE now, I can't say.
https://electrek.co/guides/tesla-pickup-truck/

But if you read down a bit, Musk says "Better than an F150 for under $50k". That's a good target to use.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Hybrid batteries have always had 10 year / 100k miles warranties. Warranty is even longer in states that adopt CA emissions.

The Prius went on sale in 2001.



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Everything I found was for sale in 2000 as the 2001 model year, So Jacks died 5 yr 7 mo after he bought it and it cost him just over $5k to get it replaced. I know he got it when they first came out, he bought it for his company and he traveled a lot in it...Jack passed away RIP Jack, you were the LAST of the Great Generation! Shot down 3 times in WWII made it back to US Lines to fly again and again.

Down in Texas we call this GAME: 'Pitch till ya win'...keep on pitchin, you might win someday!

 

[Ole Cowboy]

If they were reasonably priced for me and could completely replace my 8 cylinder Truck and my 4 cylinder car I would buy one

On my 5th F 350 diesel, OEM 48 gal tank 600-700 mi range, pull 24k, haul 7 k, ordering a new 2020 F450 in Aug, 35k pull 7+ k haul and Musker the Husker is gonna hype what?

 

[Brains]

Things could have changed since I retired in '94 and I would not doubt that Obama set the military back a few years.

I was the PM (Program Manager) and the ICP (Information Class Proponent) Training Automation for the Army, most of my career was in R&D, in '85 I had a Sun Workstation on my desk with Fiber Optic network connectivity. It was my office ATIMP (Army Training & Information Management Program) that developed the Field Fiber Optic Splicing Device, I had AT&T under contract and IIRC I spent about $12M to do it. My IT budget was about $127M.

I retired in '94, went to work for a major Consulting-Accounting company that focused on the Fortune 500 and mostly worked in the Fortune 150, I was a consulting Chief Technical Officer CTO.

Like you said and I thought the military was light years behind, not what I saw at all, light years ahead, to be honest, I was shocked by how far Corp America was behind what I was used to.

You firmed up what I said, basically, but I'll try to clarify. The private sector created that product you were using, not the military. Your lesser known unit made use of it, and worked in tandem with the private sector to perhaps aid in its development for your purposes, but the private sector designed, manufactured, and implemented it. Take fiber ... In the 80's there was a lot of fiber pulled in a lot of civilian locations already. The telcos had been installing it for several years by that point in production networks. I remember Sprint running major TV spots about how they had a fiber network in place in the 80's as well. Fiber to the desktop? Well other than very specialized cases you still don't install fiber to the desktop today, because it just doesn't make sense. The cost (was) high compared to copper and it offers the same performance. The only desktop exception is going to be specialized use cases where some workstation may need to go beyond 10Gb/S to the desktop to a remote storage cluster or something.

Speaking of field work. Have you seen modern arc fusion splicers? Battery powered, perfectly splices the whole ribbon of strands at once in a few seconds with the push of a button. Cool stuff.

 

[pronstar]

Jack passed away RIP Jack, you were the LAST of the Great Generation! Shot down 3 times in WWII made it back to US Lines to fly again and again.

RIP Jack.
Sounds like a true American hero


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[benenglish]

Thread drift warning but I'm feeling nostalgic...

Sounds like a true American hero

There was a time when "Uncommon valor was a common virtue", as Nimitz put it. I wonder if we'll see those days again.

 

[oldag]

Tesla keeps getting mentioned, but they may be belly up in a couple of years.

 

[toddnjoyce]

More options are coming. Tesla truck in 2020? Whether it can replace what you have in ICE now, I can't say.
https://electrek.co/guides/tesla-pickup-truck/

But if you read down a bit, Musk says "Better than an F150 for under $50k". That's a good target to use.

Vapor ware until it’s seen in the wild.

It’s gotta exist before it can be better. And then, what stick is being used to determine ‘better’?

Musk claims 300,000 lbs towing capacity and 500 mi range.

https://electrek.co/2019/06/02/tesla-pickup-truck-price-f150-elon-musk/

Good luck with that.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Vapor ware until it’s seen in the wild.

It’s gotta exist before it can be better. And then, what stick is being used to determine ‘better’?

Musk claims 300,000 lbs towing capacity and 500 mi range.

https://electrek.co/2019/06/02/tesla-pickup-truck-price-f150-elon-musk/

Good luck with that.

Maybe that's "towing it" 2 feet, downhill.....

 

[benenglish]

Maybe that's "towing it" 2 feet, downhill.....

Well, Tesla has shown some aptitude when it comes to towing.

 

[Brains]

Keep in mind, electric motors are most well suited to high torque low speed applications.

 

[txinvestigator]

Nice try guys, but in order to have used and recon'd you MUST have USED stock to work from. At that time used and recon'd was sparsely available at best, so he had no other choice but to go to Toyota. IIRC it was 2002 or 2003 when his went belly up.

Then what does that have to do with TODAY?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Well, Tesla has shown some aptitude when it comes to towing.

I hadn't seen that yet.
Maybe 300ft?
I wonder how long the transmission lasted after that?

 

[kbaxter60]

Vapor ware until it’s seen in the wild.

It’s gotta exist before it can be better. And then, what stick is being used to determine ‘better’?

...

I wouldn't even disagree about the vaporware comment. I have not put down a deposit, myself. Yet Musk has delivered on much/most of what he has promised over the years.

As far as the "better" question: the "stick" is the F150. What is better than that? I would be making a choice based on Total Cost of Ownership (must include not buying gas, maintenance/repair costs, reliability, etc), range, towing capacity, and comfort features. Also, would probably want to know where charging stations were in my vicinity (quite a few companies are adding them to employee lots. It would be cool to top off while at work and then NOT having to pull into a gas station every couple of days).

 

[pronstar]

I hadn't seen that yet.
Maybe 300ft?
I wonder how long the transmission lasted after that?

No transmission in an EV, just direct drive with electric motors.

I doubt it hurt the car...the Tundra that towed the Space Shuttle was bone-stock and none the worse for wear.


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[benenglish]

I hadn't seen that yet.

That was over a year ago and it was just a stunt. It's impressive when a passenger car rated to tow ~5000 pounds can even get something that size moving.

My only point was that when Musk says the truck will tow 300,000 pounds then, with some possibly substantial qualifiers, I believe him.