The Untold History of the NRA

[RoadRunner]

It appears to me that chunking rocks from the outside will work just as well as changing the NRA from the inside. Check out what they did to Allen West.

 

[DoubleDuty]

When the corruption becomes endemic the corrupt surround themselves with the corrupt. The way the voting and the board is setup makes it near impossible to fix it. Charles Cotten isn't allowing any criticism on his site. So I guess if you are a NRA member they don't have to answer to you.

 

[Hoji]

When the corruption becomes endemic the corrupt surround themselves with the corrupt. The way the voting and the board is setup makes it near impossible to fix it. Charles Cotten isn't allowing any criticism on his site. So I guess if you are a NRA member they don't have to answer to you.

According to some here you must be a traitor.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Well they would be wrong. I am a firm believer against infringement on gun ownership and the accessories that go with them.

 

[benenglish]

Charles Cotten isn't allowing any criticism on his site.

Has he ever?

 

[Low_Speed]

That's one...where are the rest of the hundreds of things you told me about? The bump-stock was the biggest waste of money and ammunition ever. What did it exactly do that had people so excited about it? I guess it gave the wannabes a thrill. It would be totally useless in any kind of fight. I can still go down to the gun shop and buy a AR 15 and other firearms. There continue to be cracks in the wall of the current NRA leadership. https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/03/major-nra-donor-chief-radioactive-step-down/
"A major donor to the National Rifle Association (NRA) wants chief executive officer Wayne LaPierre gone before he’ll give again" so you can make the change from inside or throw rocks from the outside.

It’s irrelevant whether you thought that bump-stocks were a waste of money and ammunition. The fact is that there were thousands of people who didn’t think they were a waste of money and ammunition and that they executive branch forced citizens that legally owned those devices to surrender or destroy said private property without compensation or become felons. Not to mention that the President did an end runaround Congress to re-define what a machine gun was. Now he’s planning to go after silencers too.

People’s understanding of this is really shallow. How can we get the government to respect the citizens right to exercise the 2nd Amendment when we can’t get an alleged pro 2A president to respect gun owners 5th Amendment Rights? The NRA is just as complicit and the bad thing is is that they are using members money to do it.


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[BRD@66]

It’s irrelevant whether you thought that bump-stocks were a waste of money and ammunition. The fact is that there were thousands of people who didn’t think they were a waste of money and ammunition and that they executive branch forced citizens that legally owned those devices to surrender or destroy said private property without compensation or become felons. Not to mention that the President did an end runaround Congress to re-define what a machine gun was. Now he’s planning to go after silencers too.

People’s understanding of this is really shallow. How can we get the government to respect the citizens right to exercise the 2nd Amendment when we can’t get an alleged pro 2A president to respect gun owners 5th Amendment Rights? The NRA is just as complicit and the bad thing is is that they are using members money to do it.


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Well said.

 

[seeker_two]

When the corruption becomes endemic the corrupt surround themselves with the corrupt. The way the voting and the board is setup makes it near impossible to fix it. Charles Cotten isn't allowing any criticism on his site. So I guess if you are a NRA member they don't have to answer to you.

Charles Cotten having any power in the NRA is reason enough to suspect corruption in the ranks.....

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[Texasjack]

Some pretty good discussion. It's not a simple situation and I think there is wide agreement that changes need to be made.

 

[Low_Speed]

Some pretty good discussion. It's not a simple situation and I think there is wide agreement that changes need to be made.

Nah, it’s pretty simple. Members want to make change in the NRA they will need to speak their wallet and stop making excuses for their corruption. NRA apologists are like abused housewives who always come up with a good reason why their husbands beat them.

Only reason why the NRA is as powerful as it is is because its members made it that way. Time to put their money and effort into the GOA, SAF, etc.


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[gshayd]

Now the one large donor has grown to a large group of donors that give about 100 million a year who said they are tired of the drama.

 

[gshayd]

God said it, I believe it , and that settles it. Sigh. View attachment 177268 Not one more cent until they flush the turds.

ETA- so, you are for the Second Amendment, but....... gotcha. I hope everyone else catches that as well.

Yes, I am a Second Amendment Person. Folks can flame away at me if they wish after several decades of dealing with the military I have some pretty thick skin. I can still go down to the gun store and buy firearms. Missed the part about bump stocks in the Second Amendment. The NRA Drama will be rectified as the cash flow is cut by big donors and all the smaller donors who want no more drama. Are you sure God said it and not the devil whispering in your ear?

 

[Low_Speed]

Yes, I am a Second Amendment Person. Folks can flame away at me if they wish after several decades of dealing with the military I have some pretty thick skin. I can still go down to the gun store and buy firearms. Missed the part about bump stocks in the Second Amendment. The NRA Drama will be rectified as the cash flow is cut by big donors and all the smaller donors who want no more drama. Are you sure God said it and not the devil whispering in your ear?

Why wouldn’t bump stocks be part of the Second Amendment? Even if it wasn’t why is it right or just for our government to make citizens criminals for having personal property that has been deemed as legal to own time and time again for ten years?!

I also have a problem with the fact that it is estimated that there are a couple hundred thousand of these things in private hands and government bans all of them because of one lunatic. Especially, when the use of bump stocks have never been proven because the FBI has never let them be inspected.




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[Big Green]

Yes, I am a Second Amendment Person...Missed the part about bump stocks in the Second Amendment.

“Shall not be infringed“ Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Research weapons available to, and discussed by, the Founding Fathers and you may realize that they meant everything from muskets, to “high capacity” firearms and cannons. They said any arms available to the government belong the people.

Are bump stocks a waste of ammunition? Sure, potentially. But who is to say what is a waste.

A video I watched recently mentioned how rights come with responsibilities. I have a right to ALL means of defense. I should be allowed to have a tank should I see the need to one and have the ability to buy one. If I go on a rampage and kill people, than there are other other laws I have obviously broken that will rightfully punish me.

The Second Amendment is no different than the First, or others. With great freedom and liberty comes great responsibility.

 

[Bithabus]

Missed the part about bump stocks in the Second Amendment.

Bump Stocks were reclassified as machine guns to justify a ban. Machine guns are covered by the 2nd amendment, as are all other arms. Don't think bump stocks are machine guns? I would agree, but then they wouldn't be banned.

 

[birddog]

Here's a bit of a history behind the NRA, it's not very pretty. I use to believe the NRA was on our side, not any more and this just supports my dislike of that organization.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-untold-history-of-the-nra-part-1/

Do you beleive that article was accurate and portrayed events honestly, without ulterior motives or to further an agenda?

If you do, what is the basis of your beliefs?

I'm waiting...

fwiw, its important to be able to discern the subtle differences between well written fact, fiction, and propaganda. I have an old text book from a federal agency training facility located N of DC just off the George Washington Pkwy. Training cadre called it "the bible", or the "smart book". Funny thing is its more relevant today that it was 30 years ago.

 

[avvidclif]

The article could be construed several ways. Since probably none of us were around during the 1934 ban and has first hand knowledge we depend on history. Could it be the NRA supported positions were a compromise position to avoid a much more draconian law? Could some/all of their actions be the same? I don't know. Just thinking.

And Pepe' LaPew needs to go. A good house cleaning is in order.

 

[V-Tach]

LTC West isn't giving up on the NRA and neither am I. Donating? Nope, not a dime till things change in a drastic way......

Change will come......it will be painful and the NRA may or may not survive....but I will stay the course for now...........

I need not justify or explain my position

 

[Hoji]

Do you beleive that article was accurate and portrayed events honestly, without ulterior motives or to further an agenda?

If you do, what is the basis of your beliefs?

I'm waiting...

fwiw, its important to be able to discern the subtle differences between well written fact, fiction, and propaganda. I have an old text book from a federal agency training facility located N of DC just off the George Washington Pkwy. Training cadre called it "the bible", or the "smart book". Funny thing is its more relevant today that it was 30 years ago.

Well, since the article was quoting the NRA officials from published NRA articles at the time( as Ben has posted previously) then yes, I believe it is accurate.

 

[birddog]

The article could be construed several ways. Since probably none of us were around during the 1934 ban and has first hand knowledge we depend on history. Could it be the NRA supported positions were a compromise position to avoid a much more draconian law? Could some/all of their actions be the same? I don't know. Just thinking.

And Pepe' LaPew needs to go. A good house cleaning is in order.

Taken at face value, it could.

Look, I'm not crying wolf or making a big deal out of nothing. My perspective is based on 30+ years in IT as a Network Architect and Security/Cyberwarfare Analyst for critical infrastructure, defence, and DoD. BBN, the company tasked by DARPA to build what we now call the internet; I was Senior Network Architect. Google Vice President of Network Infrastructure Kamran Sist****, I've known him 20 plus years, worked on classified projects. I deal with serious cyber attacks every day. What we're seeing now is different, and alarming.

I'm not trying to impress anyone, I dont have an ego and have no need to. But people need to wake the fk up to reality; our nation is in the midst of a significant asymetric war that cant be fought or won with traditional military assets. And its a damn shame that only one other person on this site recognized the various elements for what they are and correlated those events accurately.

The short version of the truth about guns NRA article;

The site was recently sold to an outdoor oriented holding company. The staff have ties to Bloomberg, and their websites are nothing more than a mouthpiece to influence public opinion in the guise of a pro 2A/outdoors/fishing/hunting media outlet.

I've got to get back to work, I'll fill in the blanks when time permits.