Texas Cannabis

[easy rider]

I am against the use of marijuana for medical and recreational use. It has no life saving properties, it distorts perceptions, impairs judgement, slows reaction times and impedes motor control.

Cannabinoids and their metabolites are cumulative in human tissues and heavy use renders detection possible for months. It is not reaching to assume that when this drug is detectable in urinalysis or blood plasma, it is still rendering some degree of impairment to the perceptions, reaction time and motor control of the drug user.

The quality of almost any employable task is subject to performance impairment or to present a danger to the public when the employed are under the influence of cannabinol. There is no need to list them all, or to describe all the negative implications. Consider a simple list of employment activities with associated negative consequences intuitively impied: hand washing, hand washing techniques in food preparation and service; law enforcement, surgery, or aviation. Any of this should give us reason to pause before lending our support for marijuana legalization.

This is my opinion and it is not subject to change.


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You obviously never knew anyone that was in so much pain and the drugs given them to help fight that pain made them even more ill, and then seen the difference a small amount of cannabis can make. I can see your argument for recreational use, not that I totally agree, but medicinal? Do your really think opioids are better? Since they are the most prescribed.

 

[Davetex]

My brother in law (RIP) was a Vietnam Vet (Marine). He was exposed to Agent Orange and in later years ended up with Parkinsons among other war related complications. The VA loaded him up on drugs that never really helped all the ailments. The only thing he found that helped him was smoking moderate amounts of MJ.

When he would visit us, he always asked if it was OK for him to smoke in our home and I always insisted it was OK and for him not to worry about it, just do it. He's the only person I would allow to do that.

He deserved a lot better than what he got from the VA. And they would always tell him to stop smoking it, just take our pills.

 

[C_Hallbert]

You obviously never knew anyone that was in so much pain and the drugs given them to help fight that pain made them even more ill, and then seen the difference a small amount of cannabis can make. I can see your argument for recreational use, not that I totally agree, but medicinal? Do your really think opioids are better? Since they are the most prescribed.

I am 70+ years old, served 4 years in the Corps with 1 1/2 tours on RVN then worked 39 years as a registered respiratory therapist in an acute care medical setting the last 20 yrs of which were subject to random drug screening. I have seen more people die and know more about pain than most. For three years I served as a Reserve Deputy working with the Country, riding with the City PD, or working Dispatch and Jailer on weekends at night. I’ve seen my share of people who who prefer risking possession of marijuana than keeping their records clean.

My youngest son is a pothead and now on hard dope. He was kicked out of the Corps (BCD) for a Hot Piss Test. Repeated marijuana possession charges, Drug Court, Drug Court Revoked, Sentenced 10 yrs Oklahoma Prison System, Paroled after 6 yrs, Charged Evading an Officer in Tulsa (Probably possessed Drugs but not caught with them), Revoked finished 10 yrs of sentence, released having completed Associates Degree Business from Rose State and 4 Welding Certificates. Would not get job or D.L., Gets with old friends and back on marijuana and drugs, caught possessing CHS and paraphernalia, now on 6 or 7 yrs Probation. He’s going to wind up back in prison. Tells me marijuana should be legal and it’s his right to use it because this is a Free Country and he is part Native American. Says I should try it. I’ll be DEAD first!!!

For myself, I have severe rheumatoid arthritis probably related to Agent Orange and covered by the VA. The VA does Toxicity Screens by Urinalysis and doesn’t notify you. I also had Prostate Cancer in my 50s which they attribute to service in RVN. I live in constant pain and walk with a crutch.often needing assistance to rise from a seat. If I fall down, I’m in trouble and usually need help to get back up. My ankles, knees, hips, back, elbows, wrists fingers, shoulders and neck are all in constant pain.I have migraine headaches. This all started when I was 23 years old but I’ve fought it every damn day. I refuse to take opiates since they tried me on slow release morphine in my 50s. It’s a trap! I’ve seen scores of people living on this stuff. Soon they’re taking more than they need. I’m not falling for it. I refused pain medications ever since.

I am not lily White regarding marijuana. I tried it once after I was discharged with a girl I knew who grew up when I was in service. Sore throat and remember laughing at my Mother because she appeared too serious. Never did it again, never will. The stuff has ruined my younger son’s life. It means more to him than his record, family, all his X’s or his kids.

Pain is part of living. It is a test of endurance and character. Marijuana destroys people’s ambitions and judgement. I do take aspirin, low dose prednisone and Embrel Biologlc that suppresses immunity. I vote for Prohibition.


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[Younggun]

Doesn't sound like keeping MJ illegal has done anything to help your son. Doesn't sound like he would do any better without it. Some people will choose the wrong path no matter how many laws are in place. If one vice is removed they will find another.


I also haven't seen anyone here attempt to convince anyone else they should try it. It's not you that people were concerned with. Not your pain they wish to ease (not meant as a heartless disregard), it's the pain of their own loved ones who are often disregarding the law in favor of something that works for them. It's about allowing them to use what might help, not forcing.


As far as removing inhibition...just head down to the local bar. Tell me the difference.

Pain may be a part of living, Tell me about dying. Does it make a terminal cancer patient any more admirable if they choose to be miserable on a cocktail of drugs, each countering side effects of the previous, or if they simply live their remaining days in misery? What do they or society gain? I watched a family member go that way. If pot can let them enjoy the remaining days with their loved ones without a curtain of misery between them then I can think of no reason to stop them.

I choose to avoid things that change my state of mind. It's my choice to do so. Not even a beer in the evenings even though the though of a shot of jack makes me feel giddy. It's a decision I made for me, I wouldn't consider making that decision for someone else. I surely wouldn't tell someone who is on their final months that they must live them miserably because some people make bad choices.

 

[toddnjoyce]

The challenge I see now is that in very limited scope, the state of Texas (and every other state that has some form of legal pot) has crafted a legal loophole that hasn’t been tested.

The 4473 asks about unlawful drug use. Users, medically or recreationally, can claim their state said its legal and answer the question ‘No’., putting a gun in the hands of a prohibited individual.

The context of the 4473 is federal law. So long as the Feds prohibit weed, the only correct answer for the question 11C is ‘yes’ if you are actively using.

It would not surprise me to see a Supreme Court case on this subject at some point arguing along the lines of the preemption doctrine. I shudder to think of the worst case outcome of a case like that where the court rules in favor of federal preemption, triggering Congress or BATFE to change the rule and prohibit FFL transfers in states that have legalized some form of weed.

 

[Younggun]

The challenge I see now is that in very limited scope, the state of Texas (and every other state that has some form of legal pot) has crafted a legal loophole that hasn’t been tested.

The 4473 asks about unlawful drug use. Users, medically or recreationally, can claim their state said its legal and answer the question ‘No’., putting a gun in the hands of a prohibited individual.

The context of the 4473 is federal law. So long as the Feds prohibit weed, the only correct answer for the question 11C is ‘yes’ if you are actively using.

It would not surprise me to see a Supreme Court case on this subject at some point arguing along the lines of the preemption doctrine. I shudder to think of the worst case outcome of a case like that where the court rules in favor of federal preemption, triggering Congress or BATFE to change the rule and prohibit FFL transfers in states that have legalized some form of weed.

Anyone who thinks the lack of state prohibition protects them must be mentally deficient.

Hell, silencers are legal in Texas but nobody thinks they can build one in the garage without risking some pretty hefty consequences if caught.

It's not a loophole at all. But I agree that fed law is a complication to state legalization and many people are placing themselves in a precarious position and trusting their livelihoods to the whims of the federal government.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Anyone who thinks the lack of state prohibition protects them must be mentally deficient.

We are talking about potheads here. Seriously, during my assignment to CO, the state went ‘recreational’. There’s no paper trail and plenty of folks don’t care enough to do anything but check the block. Case in point: the Sutherland Springs POS. I’d be real surprised if any state with some
form of documenting ‘approved use’ of pot is reporting who those folks are to BATFE or any other federal agency.

 

[Younggun]

Seems like a personal issue for certain individuals, not something that should be used to restrict freedom.


But in my opinion it comes down to one rule the founders understood very well. A free society can only exist if it is a moral society. The more moral the society is, the more freedom it can sustain. The more immoral a society, the more it will be subject to abuse causing governments to restrict freedoms or allowing the society to eventually collapse in to chaos.


The real struggle for me is whether or not society still has enough moral value to maintain order with expanded freedom. Sadly, if we no longer have the morality as a society to allow people the freedom to smoke weed if they wish we are in a lot of trouble. I'm pretty sure we are hurting badly in the morality department and communities no longer have any interest in promoting good values. It's a society of self gratification with a resistance to personal responsibility.

So I guess on this subject I really have no issue with weed. I'm just losing faith in society. Very sad realization.

 

[easy rider]

I am 70+ years old, served 4 years in the Corps with 1 1/2 tours on RVN then worked 39 years as a registered respiratory therapist in an acute care medical setting the last 20 yrs of which were subject to random drug screening. I have seen more people die and know more about pain than most. For three years I served as a Reserve Deputy working with the Country, riding with the City PD, or working Dispatch and Jailer on weekends at night. I’ve seen my share of people who who prefer risking possession of marijuana than keeping their records clean.

My youngest son is a pothead and now on hard dope. He was kicked out of the Corps (BCD) for a Hot Piss Test. Repeated marijuana possession charges, Drug Court, Drug Court Revoked, Sentenced 10 yrs Oklahoma Prison System, Paroled after 6 yrs, Charged Evading an Officer in Tulsa (Probably possessed Drugs but not caught with them), Revoked finished 10 yrs of sentence, released having completed Associates Degree Business from Rose State and 4 Welding Certificates. Would not get job or D.L., Gets with old friends and back on marijuana and drugs, caught possessing CHS and paraphernalia, now on 6 or 7 yrs Probation. He’s going to wind up back in prison. Tells me marijuana should be legal and it’s his right to use it because this is a Free Country and he is part Native American. Says I should try it. I’ll be DEAD first!!!

For myself, I have severe rheumatoid arthritis probably related to Agent Orange and covered by the VA. The VA does Toxicity Screens by Urinalysis and doesn’t notify you. I also had Prostate Cancer in my 50s which they attribute to service in RVN. I live in constant pain and walk with a crutch.often needing assistance to rise from a seat. If I fall down, I’m in trouble and usually need help to get back up. My ankles, knees, hips, back, elbows, wrists fingers, shoulders and neck are all in constant pain.I have migraine headaches. This all started when I was 23 years old but I’ve fought it every damn day. I refuse to take opiates since they tried me on slow release morphine in my 50s. It’s a trap! I’ve seen scores of people living on this stuff. Soon they’re taking more than they need. I’m not falling for it. I refused pain medications ever since.

I am not lily White regarding marijuana. I tried it once after I was discharged with a girl I knew who grew up when I was in service. Sore throat and remember laughing at my Mother because she appeared too serious. Never did it again, never will. The stuff has ruined my younger son’s life. It means more to him than his record, family, all his X’s or his kids.

Pain is part of living. It is a test of endurance and character. Marijuana destroys people’s ambitions and judgement. I do take aspirin, low dose prednisone and Embrel Biologlc that suppresses immunity. I vote for Prohibition.


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You use my post, yet tell me nothing about your knowledge of marijuana as medicinal. I can guarantee your pain is not the pain I was talking about, since you are coherent. The pain I was talking about wouldn't allow you to comprehend what day it was, although I told you not an hour before. To spend days like that with nothing but prescription drugs doing little or nothing and then to have a small amount (1/2) laced cookie of marijuana be able to pull you out of such misery and actually comprehend what's going on around you. After witnessing that, I know for a fact that what good it can do. Show me your facts to the contrary as it pertains to medicine. Also tell me how it's worse than opiods, the number one prescribed drugs for pain.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Well, had an interesting dramatic experience at HEB that started with an fairly unwelcome conversation about weed with semi-strangers (a couple of people talking... one was a lady I had worked with a decade or so ago) that started in the beer aisle.

Some old white bearded guy told my husband that he must like weed because he has such a good beard (I HATE hearing about weed) and I piped up that that I don’t care to be involved with weed or to hear about it then the guy said that I must be a trump voter. Then he and the black lady talking with him (who had just remembered we had worked together and remembered my name and shook my hand five seconds before that) challenged the sense in that, when I mentioned sure I was such a voter.

When they kept the pressure up, I said that sure I was fine with all of what voting that way that had entailed... then I walked off while they were still talking shit but the husband kept it up toe to toe, and they ended up hollering back and forth and he got called a racist for no good reason. Security got involved but even then the couple followed him through the store. It got cleared up and we made nice with the manager before we left. I made sure to say I didn’t appreciate getting practically propositioned about weed in the beer aisle.

This SJW Trump Derangement shit is getting out of hand. Not sure i understand the connection to weed but I really have always hated hearing about it and it sparks me right up (no pun intended).

 

[toddnjoyce]

A free society can only exist if it is a moral society.

So I guess on this subject I really have no issue with weed. I'm just losing faith in society. Very sad realization.

With liberty and justice for all.

Some context here. The founders viewed liberty in terms of property rights and freedom in terms of tyranny from the government.

In their eyes, a just society allowed an individual’s right to own property (not just land, but the ability to own things) and be free from the tyranny of government to lay claim (through taxation or confiscation) of said property, if it was unreasonable.

Carrying forward to today, I believe the founders would agree that ownership of a plant, and the profits derived from that plant should be free from the tyranny of government in the form of unreasonable taxation and confiscation.

The question in this case is what is unreasonable? If we follow the logic, then it is reasonable for the state to offset the cost of justice, therefore it is reasonable to expect the government to tax citizens to pay for the will of the many, as there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Since the will of the many, in Texas, is that anything outside of the limited uses in the Compassionate Use Act is unlawful, so long tax dollars from that endeavor and related collections are the only funds used to support the program (and not general use funds) then I guess I’m okay with it.

What I’m not okay with is the will of the few, who have choices to go elsewhere, to override the will of the many. If, through a voter initiative Texas decides to go further, I guess I’ll have a choice to make. Until then, I’m part of the will of the many, which is no, because the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

 

[Vaquero]

Thomas Jefferson smoked weed.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Thomas Jefferson smoked hemp.

FIFY

 

[toddnjoyce]

Thomas Jefferson smoked weed.

And? Does that somehow mean my property rights and freedom from government tyranny should be curtailed so he can continue to do so today? Especially if he’s stealing my property to pay for his weed?

 

[Vaquero]

And? Does that somehow mean my property rights and freedom from government tyranny should be curtailed so he can continue to do so today? Especially if he’s stealing my property to pay for his weed?

My post had nothing to do with yours.
I merely stated what I have been taught and researched to be true.
Sorry if my timing indicated otherwise.

 

[Younggun]

And? Does that somehow mean my property rights and freedom from government tyranny should be curtailed so he can continue to do so today? Especially if he’s stealing my property to pay for his weed?

The will of the many can be a pretty dangerous thing. It's something I try not to rely on.


Agree whole heartedly about not having taxes being used to pay for societal issues related to MJ use, but tend to lean towards not putting a dime of tax money towards them instead of attempting to regulate the choices they make.

Keeping tax money out of the hands of people who choose to live a life of perpetual bad decisions...I'm not fooling myself in to thinking that is likely.

 

[sidebite252]

Pot should be legal already. No I don’t smoke pot due to drug testing at work but if it was legal and Work would allow I would partake just as I have a beer or a drink on my days off. As a matter of fact I would reduce my alcohol consumption and might even stop drinking all together if I could legally get high. There are proven medicinal benefits but the bottom line regulate it like alcohol and roll with the taxes. It’s coming I just hope it’s in my lifetime.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

^^^There are also proven risks. Which people are welcome to take.

If it does become legal, I’m pretty sure I’m going to get into a lot more conversations to where I’m expected to “roll with it” (hahah, more puns!) but instead people get a cunty attitude from me towards the topic.

I’ve always felt this way about pot, even before my bad experiences with people I loved using it in the past. I’m open to more information, and believe me, I’ve had all the propaganda thrown at me for years. Doesn’t seem to change my cunty attitude towards it generally (recreational use).

Probably the only fix for that kind of attitude is getting high lol.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Interesting choice of adjective....

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Interesting choice of adjective....

I’m quite sure it was the best word to convey the general vibe and I’m quite sure it’s well known by our audience exactly what that might entail.

I’ve had a lot of years to recognize the pattern that tends to happen with me when these unwanted encounters occur, and trust me, that’s the best description I can come up with.