Open Carry

[Adionik]

Seriously... If i'm at a restaurant and someone busts in with a shotgun and starts blasting at people, i'm drawing. Easy as that. I do not believe I am Rambo or a cop or anyone to go beyond that.

I agree totally but with special note. If you are IN a situation, you should handle it if you can't remove yourself from it. You have NO BUSINESS inserting yourself into a situation to intervene!

The classic case is walking into a firefight, taking out a subject and finding out he was an undercover cop. OR How about walking into a fight, shooting the man and finding out the female subject was the attacker? OR, You pull the piece, the cops arrive at a "shots fired" scene and shoot you thinking you are the BG?

We are not trained for those things and the probability of screwing up is just too great.

Flash

I have nightmares about that last scenario. I truly hope nothing ever happens, and if it ever does, i'm not considered the BG and shot at.

 

[cougartex]

Even if Texas had open carry, I would still carry concealed.

 

[APatriot]

Even if Texas had open carry, I would still carry concealed.

+1. But I hope no OC in Texas. Please Texas - No "John Waynes"!!

We "be" Texas..."walking softly but carrying a real big stick".

 

[texas_teacher]

Even if Texas had open carry, I would still carry concealed.

+1. But I hope no OC in Texas. Please Texas - No "John Waynes"!!

We "be" Texas..."walking softly but carrying a real big stick".

Why does it matter which way you'd carry? Just have the availability that offers different means of carrying to the populous. If that means that those that choose to carry OC will and those that are licensed to carry Concealed will as well when they choose to. Just because a state allows OC doesn't infringe on anybody's closedminded rights that think that people should have just one choice. America is the land of opportunity gentlemen. People deserve a choice.

 

[country_boy]

Im with Texas_teacher. Choice.

 

[texas_teacher]

Im with Texas_teacher. Choice.

Just because Massachusetts allows Sam Sex Partnerships doesn't mean you have to suck c*ck and go that route... Just means you have that option...

This is not an argument for this type of arrangement in Texas either... We're happy with the definition of a Man and a Woman and that's not working out well for lots of folks so there's no need to complicate things further.

 

[Cliffh]

Why does it matter which way you'd carry? Just have the availability that offers different means of carrying to the populous. If that means that those that choose to carry OC will and those that are licensed to carry Concealed will as well when they choose to. Just because a state allows OC doesn't infringe on anybody's closedminded rights that think that people should have just one choice. America is the land of opportunity gentlemen. People deserve a choice.

Exactly. Why does it matter which way anyone carries? If you don't want to OC, don't.

I'd still like to know what gives some people the idea that they have the right to tell me I can't do something that does not hurt anyone else???

FYI, have a look at this article:

Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw

 

[Harley Rider 55]

Even if Texas had open carry, I would still carry concealed.

My credit union had the correct 30.06 sign posted so I (legally) walked into the lobby with an AR slung over my shoulder. After a discussion with police and management, the sign came down.

 

[Harley Rider 55]

since Texas has a reputation as 'gun friendly', why is it one of only 4 states that don't allow open carry?

You can legally walk around with an M-60, SBS's, AOW's, etc. if you have the tax stamp. Try that in other states.

 

[RPB]

My credit union had the correct 30.06 sign posted so I (legally) walked into the lobby with an AR slung over my shoulder. After a discussion with police and management, the sign came down.

OMG, That would take some guts to do if there was a nervous ignorant security guard working there.
I could see me walking in with a double barrel 12 ga. short coach gun slung over my shoulder legally walking into a bank. Sure would make a point about removing the sign though.
Glad my bank doesn't prohibit licensed concealed carry people who may help save the bank employees lives while doing business there. (If they did, they'd lose customers to a bank down the street, and THAT bank's employees would be safer.)

 

[randmplumbingllc]

You can legally walk around with an M-60, SBS's, AOW's, etc. if you have the tax stamp. Try that in other states.

Not to sound like a smart a@#, but I have......in Arizona. Not a M-60, but a MP5. Legal as can be. I also had a S&W 500 on my hip (open carry). I can't remember how many banks in AZ I have walked into with a OC weapon on me. Remember that guy in Arizona, at the Obama rally, with the AR-15 ? Even the Secret Service could not stop him from excercising his "rights". Not that I think he made a smart move, just that he had the "right" to do it .

 

[Texas42]

S&W 500. . . thats a conversation starter.

 

[texas_teacher]

My credit union had the correct 30.06 sign posted so I (legally) walked into the lobby with an AR slung over my shoulder. After a discussion with police and management, the sign came down.

That's a classy move... BRAVO!!!

 

[randmplumbingllc]

S&W 500. . . thats a conversation starter.

Yeah.....always draws a crowd at the range too. It is a 4" barrel, so it isn't too bad to carry. If I run out of ammo, I can beat to death whatever is left of them !

 

[Lastshot]

You can legally walk around with an M-60, SBS's, AOW's, etc. if you have the tax stamp. Try that in other states.

First Ive heard of that , what is a tax stamp , how do I get one?

 

[Harley Rider 55]

OMG, That would take some guts to do if there was a nervous ignorant security guard working there.
I could see me walking in with a double barrel 12 ga. short coach gun slung over my shoulder legally walking into a bank. Sure would make a point about removing the sign though.
Glad my bank doesn't prohibit licensed concealed carry people who may help save the bank employees lives while doing business there. (If they did, they'd lose customers to a bank down the street, and THAT bank's employees would be safer.)

Not that big of a deal. I worked at the city where the bank is located. Besides, it was perfectly legal. I've already open carried a rifle at my local Starbucks.

 

[Harley Rider 55]

First Ive heard of that , what is a tax stamp , how do I get one?

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Al Swearengen®]

Here's an interesting Open Carry video: Be patient for the first minute and watch the action:

YouTube - Santa Fe Police Confront Man for Open Carring Legally

Yes, it did endanger the officer's safety...but does TX law REQUIRE law abiding citizen to present ID if no law was broken?

 

[RPB]

Here's an interesting Open Carry video: Be patient for the first minute and watch the action:

YouTube - Santa Fe Police Confront Man for Open Carring Legally

Yes, it did endanger the officer's safety...but does TX law REQUIRE law abiding citizen to present ID if no law was broken?

Senate passes bill making failure to identify' a crime | ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, April 16, 2009
Story last updated at 4/16/2009 - 1:33 am
The legislation, approved on a 22-8 vote, would create the new crime of "failure to identify" after being detained.
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Court Case
Texas Judiciary Online - HTML Opinion

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Texas Penal Code
TITLE 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION
CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION
Sec. 38.02. FAILURE TO IDENTIFY.
PENAL CODE**CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION ...regarding a person who was lawfully arrested (If you are a law abiding citizen who was "lawfully arrested" ... my guess is that you must Identify, else be charged with failing to identify also, though you may or may not get all the charges dropped or dismissed later .... or maybe some dropped and have to pay to defend another )
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As of Sept 1, 2009
HB 2730 removed DPS authority to suspend a concealed handgun license (CHL) for the holder's failure to display the CHL to a peace officer on demand, but CHL holders still have a legal requirement to show their CHL license if a police officer requests their ID, but the penalty of a CHL suspension is removed for failure to do so.
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Not a Primary source, and I haven't verified this, but an interesting comment exists on this link regarding an asterisk on the LEO's computer as to ONE reason you may WANT to display your CHL with your ID.
Changes to Texas CHL Law – Showing ID to Cops 1 With A Bullet

"I have spoken personally with a Texas Highway Patrol officer regarding this (at night on the side of a road, actually). He told me that the annotation to your ‘file’ when pulled up on his computer simply places an asterisk next to your name. The asterisk notation is used to indicate that more information on the person exists. Unfortunately, the asterisk is not only used to identify CHL holders, but people with outstanding warrants too."

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[RPB]

First Ive heard of that , what is a tax stamp , how do I get one?

Get forms here:

ATF Online - Forms - Firearms

Such as

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Be sure you do it ....
David Koresh didn't fill it out or pay his $200. .... That's why they knocked on his door ...
I never saw anyone hold up any Automatic Weapon he actually manufactured ....
But they said they went there on suspicion he was, and hadn't sent in his $200 money order or filled in the proper form ...
Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(That isn't the only time such situations occurred with the BATF)...
The BATF was formed to COLLECT TAXES on Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms...
(ATF Charges 2 Men in East Texas Church Fire ? I'm confused here about who owed taxes in this case. )
(ATF Declares Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act Null And Void ? So they are a Court?)
(ATF Seizes 30 Toy Guns ? )
(ATF shoots woman in bed during narcotics raid ? Is Alcohol, or Tobacco or Firearms a narcotic? I'm confused here about who owed taxes on what in this case.)
As Paul Harvey says ...
"And that's the rest of the story ..."
(But, really, there are so many more, including night-time raids of homes of gun show promoters)

Really, David Koresh should have KNOWN better than to not pay his $200.00
I mean after all. remember what happened to Randy, Sammy and Vicki Weaver and their dog etc etc ...
for not paying the $5.00 on each of the two shotguns
The Randy Weaver Case - The Lawful Path
On Oct. 24, 1989, Weaver sold two shotguns whose barrels arguably measured 1/4 inch less than the 18 inch length determined arbitrarily by Congress to be legal. The H&R single-barrel 12-ga. and Remington pump were sold to a good friend who instructed Weaver to shorten the barrels.

Cost to attempt to collect that $10.00 bucks from Weaver:
To the Government? : in excess of $3 million?
To the Weavers? : only a few lives and a dog .............

Be sure you get your forms right and pay your 5 dollars.
It costs us taxpayers too much to send the collectors out to houses to collect.