No mention of George getting himself into another pickle yet? When is that boy going to learn to NOT GET OUT OF THE CAR?
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding to Rescue Family Trapped in SUV - ABC News
This has been a somewhat heated topic in my house since the verdict. Generally, my girls are as right-wing as their daddy, but with this incident there has been some discussion.
It can be argued that Zimmerman took some actions that were not tactically wise decisions. He followed Martin against the directions of the 911 operator (even though the authority of the 911 operator can be argued). He got out of his vehicle. He lost sight of Martin and allowed himself to get into a position in which Martin could jump him easily. Each of these actions is tactically poor. But none of them were illegal.
My girls are arguing that had Zimmerman not followed Martin, had Zimmerman not gotten out of his vehicle, he would not have been in a position in which shooting Martin became necessary. I follow their logic. But the logic, if used to prosecute (persecute?) Zimmerman, could also be used against any other citizen who used deadly force in defense of himself; after all, if you had only stayed in bed this morning, you would not have gone to work, you would not have earned money, you would not have been paid, you would not have had to go to the bank to deposit your hard-earned money, and you would not have rudely and inconveniently interrupted the attempted bank robbery of the upstanding but misunderstood former miscreant who you tragically shot dead when he pointed his gun at you. His blood is on your hands. Their logic is flawed, but they're kids. I'm trying to fix it.
I am using the incident as a case study in how to think about the consequences of your actions long before you take action that would result in the consequences. I think it can be argued that nobody besides Martin's family regrets the outcome more than Zimmerman; I seriously doubt that he feels "vindicated" or "good" about it. I think the best he will ever get is that as bad as he feels, he understands it could have been much worse. And I'll almost guarantee that he knows what he did wrong and he will never do that again.
This is the basis of my discussion with my girls.
IIRC......the 911 operator said "you don't need to do that"........
I do not see that as giving him direction......or telling him not to do something or do....anything.
jmho....if that is what the 911 operator actually said......
IIRC......the 911 operator said "you don't need to do that"........
I do not see that as giving him direction......or telling him not to do something or do....anything.
jmho....if that is what the 911 operator actually said......
I see.
It is important to note the the 911 operators did NOT tell GZ not to get out of his vehicle. He was told it wasn't needed.
I don't believe it was a smart move either. However, the ultimate mistake was made by TM.
I think something you might discuss in depth with your daughters would be martins actions. Had he dialed 911 because someone was following him he would be alive today. He was near his home, had he kept an eye on Zimmerman and continues that short distance he would be alive today.
Had he even hollered " can I help you" he would probably still be alive today.
Instead, he chose to initiate a violent confrontation which lead Zimmerman to take action in order to defend his own life.
Didnt his friend he was on the phone with testify that he told her he was in his dads girlfriends backyard? That would mean that he turned around and left the house to go and attack GZ.
What people should learn from this is to never start a physical confrontation unless you absolutely have to.Just what lesson HAS this taught our children. I'm ask with genuine curiosity.
What people should learn from this is to never start a physical confrontation unless you absolutely have to.
GZ is a dumbass for following TM, however it's not illegal to follow someone.
TM escalated it to a physical confrontation first by punching GZ.
TM then escalated the assault to deadly force by getting on top of GZ when was on the ground and continuing to pound on him.
I've heard a lot of people say "it was just a fist fight; he didn't have to shoot him"... Well, a fist fight is all fun and games until one person is on top and continuing the attack. Bottom line on that issue is that if someone is on the ground and still being hit, it is deadly.
This has been a somewhat heated topic in my house since the verdict. Generally, my girls are as right-wing as their daddy, but with this incident there has been some discussion.
It can be argued that Zimmerman took some actions that were not tactically wise decisions. He followed Martin against the directions of the 911 operator (even though the authority of the 911 operator can be argued). He got out of his vehicle. He lost sight of Martin and allowed himself to get into a position in which Martin could jump him easily. Each of these actions is tactically poor. But none of them were illegal.
My girls are arguing that had Zimmerman not followed Martin, had Zimmerman not gotten out of his vehicle, he would not have been in a position in which shooting Martin became necessary. I follow their logic. But the logic, if used to prosecute (persecute?) Zimmerman, could also be used against any other citizen who used deadly force in defense of himself; after all, if you had only stayed in bed this morning, you would not have gone to work, you would not have earned money, you would not have been paid, you would not have had to go to the bank to deposit your hard-earned money, and you would not have rudely and inconveniently interrupted the attempted bank robbery of the upstanding but misunderstood former miscreant who you tragically shot dead when he pointed his gun at you. His blood is on your hands. Their logic is flawed, but they're kids. I'm trying to fix it.
I am using the incident as a case study in how to think about the consequences of your actions long before you take action that would result in the consequences. I think it can be argued that nobody besides Martin's family regrets the outcome more than Zimmerman; I seriously doubt that he feels "vindicated" or "good" about it. I think the best he will ever get is that as bad as he feels, he understands it could have been much worse. And I'll almost guarantee that he knows what he did wrong and he will never do that again.
This is the basis of my discussion with my girls.
GZ is a dumbass for following TM, however it's not illegal to follow someone.
lol... noGZ was right for following TM, it was GZ's "job".
lol... no
I'd say he was right to be suspicious of him, but that was a very poor choice to follow.