White House fact sheet on new executive actions
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In FY17, he is wanting to add 200 new ATF agents. Exactly the wrong direction for the BATFE; an agency that should be disbanded and done away with. What little law enforcement they do could be turned over to the FBI. No reason for the BATFE to even exist!
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Lots of verbiage on "mental health" issues. I've already experienced family doctors asking how I'm feeling.
Doc: Depressed?
Me: Um, no, I just shot all the black circle out of the center of a target at the range. I'm feeling great now!
So watch for the complicit AMA to work hand-in-hand with the gubmint to "diagnose" more with issues. Quick prescription for that "anxiety" you've been feeling to get it on record that you're using drugs that could affect your judgment and just like that, you are disqualified from carrying or owning. But it's for the children...
Doc: Depressed?
Me: Um, no, I just shot all the black circle out of the center of a target at the range. I'm feeling great now!
So watch for the complicit AMA to work hand-in-hand with the gubmint to "diagnose" more with issues. Quick prescription for that "anxiety" you've been feeling to get it on record that you're using drugs that could affect your judgment and just like that, you are disqualified from carrying or owning. But it's for the children...
Here is what they are going to burn people with
"Clarify that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks. Background checks have been shown to keep guns out of the wrong hands, but too many gun sales—particularly online and at gun shows—occur without basic background checks. Today, the Administration took action to ensure that anyone who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms is licensed and conducts background checks on their customers. Consistent with court rulings on this issue, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has clarified the following principles:
A person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms regardless of the location in which firearm transactions are conducted. For example, a person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms even if the person only conducts firearm transactions at gun shows or through the Internet. Those engaged in the business of dealing in firearms who utilize the Internet or other technologies must obtain a license, just as a dealer whose business is run out of a traditional brick-and-mortar store.
Quantity and frequency of sales are relevant indicators. There is no specific threshold number of firearms purchased or sold that triggers the licensure requirement. But it is important to note that even a few transactions, when combined with other evidence, can be sufficient to establish that a person is “engaged in the business.” For example, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a license when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, when other factors also were present.
There are criminal penalties for failing to comply with these requirements. A person who willfully engages in the business of dealing in firearms without the required license is subject to criminal prosecution and can be sentenced up to five years in prison and fined up to $250,000. Dealers are also subject to penalties for failing to conduct background checks before completing a sale."
you sold 5 guns this year on TGT, you're in the firearms business and you don't have a license.
you get to go to prison
once they put a few of us in prison for that, it will take the fun right out of it for the rest of us.
"Clarify that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks. Background checks have been shown to keep guns out of the wrong hands, but too many gun sales—particularly online and at gun shows—occur without basic background checks. Today, the Administration took action to ensure that anyone who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms is licensed and conducts background checks on their customers. Consistent with court rulings on this issue, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has clarified the following principles:
A person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms regardless of the location in which firearm transactions are conducted. For example, a person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms even if the person only conducts firearm transactions at gun shows or through the Internet. Those engaged in the business of dealing in firearms who utilize the Internet or other technologies must obtain a license, just as a dealer whose business is run out of a traditional brick-and-mortar store.
Quantity and frequency of sales are relevant indicators. There is no specific threshold number of firearms purchased or sold that triggers the licensure requirement. But it is important to note that even a few transactions, when combined with other evidence, can be sufficient to establish that a person is “engaged in the business.” For example, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a license when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, when other factors also were present.
There are criminal penalties for failing to comply with these requirements. A person who willfully engages in the business of dealing in firearms without the required license is subject to criminal prosecution and can be sentenced up to five years in prison and fined up to $250,000. Dealers are also subject to penalties for failing to conduct background checks before completing a sale."
you sold 5 guns this year on TGT, you're in the firearms business and you don't have a license.
you get to go to prison
once they put a few of us in prison for that, it will take the fun right out of it for the rest of us.
locke_n_load
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41P coming to a non-signing county near you.
Dealer definition vague as hell.
Defund any funding for this shit. No more ATF agents unless they are approving form 1s and 4s.
Dealer definition vague as hell.
Defund any funding for this shit. No more ATF agents unless they are approving form 1s and 4s.
Tejano Scott
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Barf
I try to remember that Obama, bad as he is, is just a mere puppet. There are much larger forces at work to take away our freedom.
I think you are missing the real clincher, as what you have underlined has been in effect. But now add:
Those engaged in the business of dealing in firearms who utilize the Internet or other technologies must obtain a license, just as a dealer whose business is run out of a traditional brick-and-mortar store.
Using the Internet to sell even one gun could now become the threshold for investigation and prosecution.
Back to the old printing press I suppose.
One does not even need to read the contents of this drivel to know that the essence is to spend more federal dollars, hire more federal employees, leverage the reach of federal agencies into the personal lives of citizens, restrict individual rights, and create more inefficient bureaucracy. That is the socialist way, and that is what this poor excuse for a leader thinks this country needs more of. Make no mistake that the ATF will be on steriods to prove that the number of "violators" they can arrest under these vague guidelines will justify not only these orders but future expansion of these actions as well.
What else can we expect from decades of career politicians whose sole objective is to expand the federal government into a socialistic nirvana. Most if them have never even read the Constitution, and have relied on leftist faculty members to tell them what the founding fathers intended.
Our fathers gave their lives to protect the liberties that these pukes are eroding from within while the masses are more focused on animal rights, celebrities and sports.
Tomorrow's news will be full of pinko commentators telling the sheeple how these actions will make them safer, and the sad part is that most of them will believe it.
What else can we expect from decades of career politicians whose sole objective is to expand the federal government into a socialistic nirvana. Most if them have never even read the Constitution, and have relied on leftist faculty members to tell them what the founding fathers intended.
Our fathers gave their lives to protect the liberties that these pukes are eroding from within while the masses are more focused on animal rights, celebrities and sports.
Tomorrow's news will be full of pinko commentators telling the sheeple how these actions will make them safer, and the sad part is that most of them will believe it.
Why? Most sellers aren't selling guns (and those that are are licensed, apart from the individual sellers). You'll probably see fewer "personal collection" tables, though.
The Chief of the Boston field office of the ATF (or whatever it was called back then) was famously quoted as saying, right after the passage of GCA68, that anyone who sold more than one gun in a year would be prosecuted as an unlicensed dealer. I read the language in this fact sheet to basically say that the same attitude is going to be adopted agency-wide, with 200 additional Special Agents to be brought on board to make it a reality.
I do not like this, especially since I was planning on selling a few guns this year. I've sold just one gun in my life and that was going to change this year; now, maybe not.
That, or you'll need to prove that you sold it for what you bought it for or less so that you're not making money on it. It'd be a little hard to say you're in business if you're losing money on every sale.
