Uvalde massacre prompted a Texas law requiring more training for police

[DougC]

From NPR radio (read transcript or listen to podcast)

This is ALERRT. That stands for Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training, something created here in Texas two decades ago. Its active-shooter courses have become a federal standard, and now Texas is requiring all its cops to do 16 hours of this training every two years. The courses are updated often. For instance, trainer Randy Knight tells this class that research is showing that there's rarely a second shooter. So once cops have stopped one killer, they shouldn't leave wounded people behind to go looking for possible other attackers.

 

[Axxe55]

From NPR radio (read transcript or listen to podcast)

This is ALERRT. That stands for Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training, something created here in Texas two decades ago. Its active-shooter courses have become a federal standard, and now Texas is requiring all its cops to do 16 hours of this training every two years. The courses are updated often. For instance, trainer Randy Knight tells this class that research is showing that there's rarely a second shooter. So once cops have stopped one killer, they shouldn't leave wounded people behind to go looking for possible other attackers.

you ca,'t train some to have a spine and to rep up and what's the right thing to do no more than you can train cowardice from a person either a person has a set of balls and willdo what needs to done or they won't imo training isn't the issue most all of this training has been available for decaases now!

 

[Hoji]

Yeah, can’t train courage.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Yeah, can’t train courage.

I never would have thought DPS troopers would be so c s and cowardly.

 

[CavCop]

The San Marcus based ALERRT data and training that stood up after Columbine CO, has been a good tool for training Officers. Some of the better training I did with them years ago. It should probably be integrated into academy training.

Both our Military and Law Enforcement has become weak on training warriors to do battle.

 

[Axxe55]

what good is the training if it's not going to be used when it really counts? iirc come of those officers at the school had previously taken part in some sort of training but they failed to use it when it really mattered in actually saving lives!

 

[CavCop]

what good is the training if it's not going to be used when it really counts? iirc come of those officers at the school had previously taken part in some sort of training but they failed to use it when it really mattered in actually saving lives!

Depends on the officers and leadership.
I mean the officers cleared the school and evacuated over 100 people right? Only a handful stood around clueless.

You have leaders that should lead. But we know those in charge, failed to lead. That is NOT a training issue but a leadership issue. Every leader directly involved in the are should have been fired.

Those outside doing security are not responsible for the actions of the leadership at the front door of the threat.

Train leaders. That’s the major breakdown. But training is required if you EXPECT officers to charge into danger and risk their lives for others.

Granted the USSC has ruled many times, an officer is not obligated to protect individuals, but to provide a basic response. They are not obligated to sue trying to save people.

Maybe there needs to be law changes? I mean I think we all know how well the defund the police and liberal agenda has played out. They broke it. Who will fix it? Todays officers are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Imagine if the officers rushed in and kids were still killed and officers ended up shooting some of the kids? Hindsight always seems right for MMQB’s.

Training provides the tools. You still have to be smart enough to use those tools.

 

[seeker_two]

Instead of training, why not better screen LEOs at the TCOLE level to weed out the useless ones? And scale back qualified immunity to allow more options to address cowardice and dereliction of duty.....

No more carrots....time for sticks....

 

[TheMailMan]

Depends on the officers and leadership.
I mean the officers cleared the school and evacuated over 100 people right? Only a handful stood around clueless.

You have leaders that should lead. But we know those in charge, failed to lead. That is NOT a training issue but a leadership issue. Every leader directly involved in the are should have been fired.

Those outside doing security are not responsible for the actions of the leadership at the front door of the threat.

Train leaders. That’s the major breakdown. But training is required if you EXPECT officers to charge into danger and risk their lives for others.

Granted the USSC has ruled many times, an officer is not obligated to protect individuals, but to provide a basic response. They are not obligated to sue trying to save people.

Maybe there needs to be law changes? I mean I think we all know how well the defund the police and liberal agenda has played out. They broke it. Who will fix it? Todays officers are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Imagine if the officers rushed in and kids were still killed and officers ended up shooting some of the kids? Hindsight always seems right for MMQB’s.

Training provides the tools. You still have to be smart enough to use those tools.

If you want to call almost 400 officers a handful then good for you. But it's not.

 

[CavCop]

If you want to call almost 400 officers a handful then good for you. But it's not.

I only saw a handful that had made contact with the shooter, and stood outside the classroom, in the hallway.

I did not see 400 officers in the hallway. I do know other officers entered into the other rooms risking their lives to get children and adults out safe. I know others were securing the scene outside and getting people to safety and that many officers drove from miles away to get there.

I blame whomever was in the hallway and in charge, yet failed to take action.

 

[glenbo]

what good is the training if it's not going to be used when it really counts? iirc come of those officers at the school had previously taken part in some sort of training but they failed to use it when it really mattered in actually saving lives!

They had to get hand sanitizer and tell a couple of jokes first.

 

[pronstar]

Cowardly cops are exactly what the government wants.

They have no morals to stand on and will simply do what they’re told…like target parents who speak up at school board meetings.

The powers-that-be are more concerned that the cowardly cops use the correct pronouns to describe the shooter and now-dead kids.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Typical government. Something goes wrong, so to appear to be doing something constructive, they pass a new law or laws that won't actually fix the problem.

Meh.

 

[A1Oni]

oh wow "training" to boost the budgets of the donut eating pissants
what a damn joke. and I bet they still couldn't hit the broadside of the sky.

 

[Axxe55]

oh wow "training" to boost the budgets of the donut eating pissants
what a damn joke. and I bet they still couldn't hit the broadside of the sky.

they can hit an unarmeddog!

 

[TheMailMan]

I only saw a handful that had made contact with the shooter, and stood outside the classroom, in the hallway.

I did not see 400 officers in the hallway. I do know other officers entered into the other rooms risking their lives to get children and adults out safe. I know others were securing the scene outside and getting people to safety and that many officers drove from miles away to get there.

I blame whomever was in the hallway and in charge, yet failed to take action.

There were almost 400 cops ON SCENE before they decided to go after the shooter. 400. Yet ONLY one wanted to breach the door on arrival. He was disarmed by OTHER COPS and lead away from the scene.

Quit making excuses for cowards.

 

[A1Oni]

they can hit an unarmeddog!

must be trained by atf agents
for real tho every time I think about that it pisses me off man.

 

[pronstar]

Evidently some cops need training to rescue kids that aren’t their own…

 

[pronstar]

She was handcuffed, then escaped to save her kids.

 

[pronstar]

This can’t be reposted enough…

Uvalde school officer Crimson Elizondo, who responded to shooting, is fired after CNN report

Uvalde school officials fired a district police officer after a report found she was among the first to arrive to the Robb Elementary School massacre yet failed to take proper action.

nypost.com