Ukraine War and Politics

[Dakar34]

"Doing the right thing" has no benefit to us in Sudan, Yemen, and many other places. So we don't send them billions in military and/or humanitarian assistance..

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/sudan-politics-hunger-aid/

 

[Dakar34]

https://unherd.com/newsroom/ukraine-is-running-out-of-battlefield-options/

 

[Havok1]

It absolutely matters who says what when one side constantly lies, the other lies, well, a lot less, and on both sides you have shills, nut huggers, and crusty old desk jockeys that would love nothing more than to get another invite to CNN.

but you still didn’t explain what any of that has to do with what I said. You’re just ranting.

 

[wiredgeorge]

A month ago, Blinkie announced Ukraine WILL be part of NATO. Don't recall this being on the news.

Here Comes World War III: Tony Blinken Announces Ukraine will be Joining NATO

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[Dakar34]

A month ago, Blinkie announced Ukraine WILL be part of NATO. Don't recall this being on the news.

Here Comes World War III: Tony Blinken Announces Ukraine will be Joining NATO

READ MORE STORIES ON DAILY PRESSER: https://dailypresser.com

video.spreely.com

It was lightly reported. Maybe they're thinking to do it soon so then we can say we're required to send troops. Ukraine is running out of them.

 

[studenygreg]

It was lightly reported. Maybe they're thinking to do it soon so then we can say we're required to send troops. Ukraine is running out of them.

Sending money and weapons is one thing. Sending our own to die for nothing is crazy and sad.

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[Havok1]

and then we wonder why nobody wants to join the military any more…

 

[cycleguy2300]

but you still didn’t explain what any of that has to do with what I said. You’re just ranting.

Zack, if you hadn't noticed havok will just "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" you...

Step-1:
He makes a false/misleading/wrong statement

Step-2:
Then gets corrected with facts, data or logic

Step-3:
At which point he simply denys or ignores the info and claims (without any counter evidence or data) the facts, data or logic you used was wrong.

Step-4: steps 2 and 3 repeat a few times

Step-5: Havok1 selects the next worn out excuse from his list and we go back to Step-1

In all the time Havok1 has been a member of the forum or active in this thread the Ukraine News thread, its Ukraine predecessor, or the Isreal/hamas threads I have yet to see him post or link facts, data or evidence from a reasonable, reliable source to backup. He may have copy-and-pasted a dictionary definition of proxy-war war, but we all know he isnt using the dictionary definition of it

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[cycleguy2300]

Sending money and weapons is one thing. Sending our own to die for nothing is crazy and sad.

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For nothing?

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[Johnny Diamond]

Unfortunately I feel that at this point we can't afford anything, would love to be wrong. I fear if we have any good people left in service they are a precious commodity.

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[studenygreg]

For nothing?

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Yes, we do not gain anything by sending our children to die in Ukraine. Ukraine potentially gains. Population decrease advocates gain. Maybe I'm wrong. What is in it for me to lose my son's over there?

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[zackmars]

but you still didn’t explain what any of that has to do with what I said. You’re just ranting.

Well you haven't backed up any of your statements either. Show me one official US document stating Ukraine is loosing.

 

[Havok1]

Zack, if you hadn't noticed havok will just "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" you...

Step-1:
He makes a false/misleading/wrong statement

Step-2:
Then gets corrected with facts, data or logic

Step-3:
At which point he simply denys or ignores the info and claims (without any counter evidence or data) the facts, data or logic you used was wrong.

Step-4: steps 2 and 3 repeat a few times

Step-5: Havok1 selects the next worn out excuse from his list and we go back to Step-1

In all the time Havok1 has been a member of the forum or active in this thread the Ukraine News thread, its Ukraine predecessor, or the Isreal/hamas threads I have yet to see him post or link facts, data or evidence from a reasonable, reliable source to backup. He may have copy-and-pasted a dictionary definition of proxy-war war, but we all know he isnt using the dictionary definition of it

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I’m not the one that posted the dictionary definition of a proxy war. I’m just the guy that seemed to ruffle your feathers for calling it what it is.

You have also never corrected anything I’ve said. I actually have to wonder if you are even trying to be accurate in what you say.

 

[zackmars]

I actually have to wonder if you are even trying to be accurate in what you say.

That hasn't seemed to slow you down.

What long term strategic goals has Russia achived in this war? What official US report states Ukraine is loosing?

 

[Havok1]

Well you haven't backed up any of your statements either. Show me one official US document stating Ukraine is loosing.

Since when is there ever an official statement that we are losing any war? You want an official statement from the same potato that called the Afghanistan withdrawal a success?

That being said, there were leaked documents that we discussed a while back that talked about how it was not going as planned, not to mention everything else we are seeing.

 

[zackmars]

It was lightly reported. Maybe they're thinking to do it soon so then we can say we're required to send troops. Ukraine is running out of them.

We honestly wouldn't need to lift a finger. Poland has been chomping at the bit to go pay back Russia for some of it's past "indiscretions", and I'm sure a number of other former SSR's would be happy to lend a hand. They all have proper, professional militaries with modern equipment, and have recent combat experience.

 

[Havok1]

That hasn't seemed to slow you down.

What long term strategic goals has Russia achived in this war? What official US report states Ukraine is loosing?

I have already covered how Russia benefits from us continuing the proxy war.

And for fucks sake dude, it’s losing, not loosing. Learn the difference.

 

[zackmars]

Since when is there ever an official statement that we are losing any war? You want an official statement from the same potato that called the Afghanistan withdrawal a success?

That being said, there were leaked documents that we discussed a while back that talked about how it was not going as planned, not to mention everything else we are seeing.

I'll take that as a no then.

Pro tip, if you can't back up your argument, then it's an opinion. And considering we all know the basic objectives typically present in war, we can safely say your opinion is shit.

 

[zackmars]

I have already covered how Russia benefits from us continuing the proxy war.

And for fucks sake dude, it’s losing, not loosing. Learn the difference.

Yeah their economy and military is falling apart, and they're being propped up by Iran, China, and North Korea.

Yes, attack my spelling. Cleanly you're winning this argument just like Russia is winning this war

 

[Havok1]

We honestly wouldn't need to lift a finger. Poland has been chomping at the bit to go pay back Russia for some of it's past "indiscretions", and I'm sure a number of other former SSR's would be happy to lend a hand. They all have proper, professional militaries with modern equipment, and have recent combat experience.

Wait, I thought we had to stop Russia because they were going to take over Poland next? I somewhat agree with you here, but once again, if yall could get your narratives straight, that would be great.