The premise of this thread is completely ridiculous.
Pretty good summary of the thread...I haven't taken the time to read this entire thread. I am only responding to the OP. My words below are based on my personal observations, professional training, and my extensive experience as a firearms instructor responsible for training hundreds of police officers to effectively use rifles and carbines.
Slide fire stocks have absolutely no place on any firearm intended for personal defense or professional use. Period. They are neither controllable nor reliable. There is never...I repeat...NEVER...a valid reason to have one of these things on a firearm meant for serious use.
I haven't taken the time to read this entire thread. I am only responding to the OP. My words below are based on my personal observations, professional training, and my extensive experience as a firearms instructor responsible for training hundreds of police officers to effectively use rifles and carbines.
Slide fire stocks have absolutely no place on any firearm intended for personal defense or professional use. Period.
Why because you say so? Is there some reason you can't pull the trigger and hit what your aiming at with slidefire stock? (I will grant you the point about professional /military use, obviously. But the police/military full auto M16s. I wonder why that is since full-auto is so pointless...)
They are neither controllable nor reliable. You are wrong. They work every time, and I can hit what I aim at just fine, same as my other fix stock ARs.
There is never...I repeat...NEVER...a valid reason to have one of these things on a firearm meant for serious use.
Again cause you say so? Because you come in here aweful proud about letting people know you are a "firearms instructor" "responsible for hundreds of police" blah blah blah. That doesn't mean squat, plenty of STUPID and DANGEROUS self-titled firearms "experts" and "instructors" out there who think they know everything. Youtube is full of idiot "experts". Plenty of STUPID cops too for that matter, and neither makes anything you say the gospel truth bud. (In fact a whole bunch of really stupid "experts" on everything are wrecking this country in case you hadn't noticed.) The fact you have to brag about being and instructor to try support your assertion instead of just explaining to everyone in plain english WHY what you say is true, shows you are an ass.
Why don't you skip the bragging and just explain why my carbine is going to fail me if I ever really have to use it "seriously." Is the stock gonna break off or something? Trigger gonna stop working? Am I gonna get scared and confused and forget how to use it cause it's too complicated?
Yeah, tell that to the cops that accidentally shoot bystanders, and shoot up the wrong truck with two women in it.I guess some people still don't realize they are accountable for every round that comes out the barrel of their firearm...
How about just for fun?
yepHow about just for fun?
I never got why they didn't sell them for $50 and make their $$$ in volume. It's plastic, yea I would get one for $50 mainly to have fun with cheap steel cased ammo but they lost me and many other people at their current price.
macshooter said:You are wrong. They work every time, and I can hit what I aim at just fine, same as my other fix stock ARs.DougD said:They are neither controllable nor reliable.
macshooter said:Again cause you say so? Because you come in here aweful proud about letting people know you are a "firearms instructor" "responsible for hundreds of police" blah blah blah. That doesn't mean squat, plenty of STUPID and DANGEROUS self-titled firearms "experts" and "instructors" out there who think they know everything. Youtube is full of idiot "experts". Plenty of STUPID cops too for that matter, and neither makes anything you say the gospel truth bud. (In fact a whole bunch of really stupid "experts" on everything are wrecking this country in case you hadn't noticed.) The fact you have to brag about being and instructor to try support your assertion instead of just explaining to everyone in plain english WHY what you say is true, shows you are an ass.
Why don't you skip the bragging and just explain why my carbine is going to fail me if I ever really have to use it "seriously." Is the stock gonna break off or something? Trigger gonna stop working? Am I gonna get scared and confused and forget how to use it cause it's too complicated?
That is an unfortunate and incredibly ill-advised position. I am unaware of any professional firearms instructor who shares it.macshooter said:I would not hesitate to grab my sidefire SBR and use it in a personal/home defense scenario.
This is the Internet where anyone can claim to be anything. Internet gun forums are a great place for uninformed people with high post counts to couple veiled ad hominems (Hey Socrates, I asked you what the problem was with the stock, and you still haven't answered that.) with anger-in,fused claims that amateurish toys designed to quickly waste ammo are perfectly suitable for life-and-death situations <--- I think we have the heart of your argument right here: These are amateurish toys in your opinion, and *REAL* professionals (like you) don't like them or use them. (...)
I am not one of the "stupid and dangerous self-titled firearms 'experts' and 'instructors' out there who think they know everything." However, I am a professional who has personally seen other people (including other well-trained professionals) play with these toys. I know first hand how inaccurate, inefficient, and unreliable they are. I stand by my statement that these devices are neither controllable nor reliable. (hate to say it bud, but you may not be using it right if you are having that much trouble with it) They have no place on any firearm intended for serious use (e.g. personal defense and/or life saving). (You keep repeating yourself, but you still have not explained why)
Several of your statements indicate that you may have some significant emotional issues at play. My post was not intended to elicit an emotional response from anyone. My comments about slide fire stocks were emotionally neutral and based strictly on my professional background and personal observations. That I neither share nor approve of your opinion on slide fire stocks does not make me your enemy. Neither does it hint that I might be one of the people "wrecking this country." I'll be happy to share my professional shooting and firearms curriculum vitae if it will help defuse some of your anger.
That is an unfortunate and incredibly ill-advised position. (Why? Is it really dangerous or something? If so how?) I am unaware of any professional firearms instructor who shares it. (So what? Maybe there are a lot of things you are not aware of. But you still have not explained why what you say is true. Is that so hard? Or maybe there is no reason, other than you just don't like them. Sounds like that's the heart of the matter right there.)