Low Test Club

[Sugar Land]

What? You want low test levels? Extreme cardio for extended hours works.

Or a really bitchy wife...

 

[cbigclarke]

He means it raises estro levels..

When you start injecting testosterone your body actually shutdown it's own production, so even an extremely low dose of 50-75mg a week your body will stop producing its high levels and only use what your injecting, so in turn your levels will be in the shitter... Where you want them.

I would ask my doc about that.

your right. thats one of the reasons why im trying to avoid juicing

 

[winchster]

your right. thats one of the reasons why im trying to avoid juicing

But if you already have low levels, then your body has already shut down its production for the most part. Taking the injections was a fix for a problem for me, not a shortcut.

 

[cbigclarke]

not a complete shut down.. I'm still able to put on muscle, and lift fairly heavy. So the light is on. Just dim

 

[winchster]

not a complete shut down.. I'm still able to put on muscle, and lift fairly heavy. So the light is on. Just dim

What I was getting at, if your free levels are already in the low range, below 300, then for all practical purposes, the light bulb may as well be off. From all the research I have done and the word of my dr, once I got to that point, there was no hope of the light brightening up again without injections.
Your case may be different, if you successfully raise your free levels without "artificial" means, I will be very surprised, yet thrilled for you.

 

[pistolpadre]

He means it raises estro levels..

One way to have constant lower test levels is use a low dose of synthetic test. On average someone on replacement therapy is going to use roughly 150mg a week to stay in the ranges. If you use say 75mg a week you will be pretty dang low. When you start injecting testosterone your body actually shutdown it's own production, so even an extremely low dose of 50-75mg a week your body will stop producing its high levels and only use what your injecting, so in turn your levels will be in the shitter... Where you want them.

I would ask my doc about that.

Great thought here.. and yeah i'll run it past my onc. so far they don't think (thank God) it's spread, if i can keep the T down then it helps keep the PSA in the basement.. almost a one for one link.. funny here i am with the nads working to good for me.. this is a warning though for all of you guys.. get the PSA checked.. not just how high.. but going up fast is a warning.. thanks guys..

 

[Ericstac]

Great thought here.. and yeah i'll run it past my onc. so far they don't think (thank God) it's spread, if i can keep the T down then it helps keep the PSA in the basement.. almost a one for one link.. funny here i am with the nads working to good for me.. this is a warning though for all of you guys.. get the PSA checked.. not just how high.. but going up fast is a warning.. thanks guys..

Just curious, at what PSA level did your doctor start freaking out and knew something was up?

 

[pistolpadre]

This is REAL important.. mine was low.. only like 5 or so.. but i had a doc.. (phys asst) who had kept current with JAMA and reports that it was not JUST the value but how fast it had gone up.. mine had been like 2.5 or so.. another important take away here.. first off all of us "alpha" types are more likely to have issues.. fact.. get the test if your past 40, OR if you have any flags going up (having to go a lot is no 1) "IF" you have an issue get the surgery. based on my back they thought radiation would be the best, nope failed it, and the seed implant.. thought i had 3-5 yrs.. then thank the good Lord (i had actually given it over to him) they found it hadn't spread, and started me on the chemo/hormon (fermagon) that has kept both the psa and t in the cellar, deal is when my T goes up the PSA goes up.. So obv. were trying to keep it down.. thanks for the advice. the O will be seen this coming wed. and all of this will be discussed.. honestly thank you ..

 

[Ericstac]

Well good your doing good.. Mine stays a steady 2.0 and hasn't budged thankfully since starting HRT. It's something I monitor a few times a year.

 

[TXARGUY]

Of course I'm a member as we've discussed in some of the weight threads.

I went from 235 to just over 1000. It's been completely life changing. I traded fat for lean muscle and my energy level is through the roof. I have the libedo I had when I was in my 20s and a very positive life outlook.

The doctor I had for years wanted to treat everything with diet and exercise which is fine but only a part of what needed to be done. It's very hard to self motivate when you are tired all the time.

The changes are nothing less than remarkable. The aches and pains are gone. The belly fat is gone. I wake up early, alert and ready. Exercise is no longer something I dread but something I enjoy and look forward to. I'm back to my Cavalry Scout physique and instead of any 'roid rage' type symptoms my patience level has increased greatly and I'm generally a much happier person.

I inject .75 cc into my upper thigh every Friday, alternating legs.

I have a friend who was using the gel for a little over a year. He was never able to raise his level by much more than 200 points. Once he switched to injections he went to 1000 in a matter of weeks.

 

[TXARGUY]

He means it raises estro levels..

One way to have constant lower test levels is use a low dose of synthetic test. On average someone on replacement therapy is going to use roughly 150mg a week to stay in the ranges. If you use say 75mg a week you will be pretty dang low. When you start injecting testosterone your body actually shutdown it's own production, so even an extremely low dose of 50-75mg a week your body will stop producing its high levels and only use what your injecting, so in turn your levels will be in the shitter... Where you want them.

I would ask my doc about that.

Estrogen levels can be controlled herbally using Japanese Knotweed supplements.

Or, your Dr can prescribe a blocker.

My Dr was shocked. He said "Holy crap, are you using an estrogen blocker?", I said no; I'm taking Japanese Knotweed. He immediately started researching it and now is a firm believer in its effectiveness.

Thanks again Scap for that tip!

 

[AKM]

My peckers fine, but i wonder if my levels are screwed up sometimes after reading some of yalls posts and Im young.

 

[AKM]

This is REAL important.. mine was low.. only like 5 or so.. but i had a doc.. (phys asst) who had kept current with JAMA and reports that it was not JUST the value but how fast it had gone up.. mine had been like 2.5 or so.. another important take away here.. first off all of us "alpha" types are more likely to have issues.. fact.. get the test if your past 40, OR if you have any flags going up (having to go a lot is no 1) "IF" you have an issue get the surgery. based on my back they thought radiation would be the best, nope failed it, and the seed implant.. thought i had 3-5 yrs.. then thank the good Lord (i had actually given it over to him) they found it hadn't spread, and started me on the chemo/hormon (fermagon) that has kept both the psa and t in the cellar, deal is when my T goes up the PSA goes up.. So obv. were trying to keep it down.. thanks for the advice. the O will be seen this coming wed. and all of this will be discussed.. honestly thank you ..

Glad to hear it hasnt gotten worse

 

[40Arpent]

I am jealous because I have had prostate cancer so taking testosterone is a no-go for me. I surely hope none of y'all develop any prostate problems as a result.

 

[Sugar Land]

Me too.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Me too.

+1

 

[Sugar Land]

Day 7 no change.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It will take a few doses to make any difference.

 

[Sugar Land]

7 is more than a few. Are you saying a few boxes?

 

[Ericstac]

7 is more than a few. Are you saying a few boxes?

Most men usually take about 4-5 weeks of use before feeling the affects of the testosterone.