Concealed Draw (Without one in the Chamber and with on in the chamber)

[Fox]

I absolutely disagree, Fox. This is not like the 9mm vs. .45 debate, because in this debate one of the options has no tactical benefit whatsoever.

Whereas 9mm has the benefit of greater firepower (more bullets) and .45 has the benefit of putting more lead in the target per round, carrying with an empty chamber has no benefit except the imagined benefit of increased safety *when the gun is not in use.* In my mind, it's akin to carrying a blade with no edge. You can't cut yourself on accident with it, but what good is it?

Maybe ford chevy is a better analogy. Personal preference is what Im saying. Yes a gun you have to rack is not as good as one that is ready, but peoples situations are different. I dont have kids so I can leave my gun racked all the time. I can set it down anywhere in my house anytime and not have to worry. I like to carry with one chambered, but I can see someone with kids who might not want to carry with one in the chamber.
If your carrying at all your ahead of 90% of people already. hehe

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

I think a proper car analogy would be more like "Leaving the engine running vs turning it off when you're sitting still in heavy traffic."

 

[pvtsnowball82]

Maybe ford chevy is a better analogy. Personal preference is what Im saying. Yes a gun you have to rack is not as good as one that is ready, but peoples situations are different. I dont have kids so I can leave my gun racked all the time. I can set it down anywhere in my house anytime and not have to worry. I like to carry with one chambered, but I can see someone with kids who might not want to carry with one in the chamber.
If your carrying at all your ahead of 90% of people already. hehe

I have a 2-yr old and an infant and I carry chambered. I don't see how having kids even enters the equation.

 

[chris211]

I think a proper car analogy would be more like "Leaving the engine running vs turning it off when you're sitting still in heavy traffic."

+1

 

[pvtsnowball82]

I think a proper car analogy would be more like "Leaving the engine running vs turning it off when you're sitting still in heavy traffic."

Add to the analogy: AND you're in a race AND the loser is severely injured or killed.

 

[London]

Good information NewShooter, thanks for sharing. Very good practice to familiarize and understand how safe a good holster is.

Yes; be aware old worn-out leather holster have been known to get soft around the trigger, finding their way in the trigger guard and causing a discharge (especially with trigger-safety pistols). There is a video of some guy on youtube who shot down his leg (barely missing) and blew a hole through the floor of his car because of this.

Kydex is immune to this phenomenon.

 

[pvtsnowball82]

I also highly recommend a kydex holster.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Kids have nothing to do with a round being chambered or not. This is exactly like what I hear all the time about people wanting a manual safety on their gun "in case their kid gets a hold of it". The easy answer is DON'T LET YOUR KID GET A HOLD OF YOUR GUN! Seriously. If you have children, you need to have a quick access gun safe like a Gunvault brand safe. It is never okay to leave guns laying around with children in the house. Chambered or not, it needs to be properly secured. This is a question people blow out of proportion, and that is the simple solution.

 

[coboblack]

In my mind, it's akin to carrying a blade with no edge. You can't cut yourself on accident with it, but what good is it?

Although I get the point your making to him...thats a bit much. A blade with no edge can, under NO circumstances but sharpened in time to use. There are any number of circumstances you will have time to draw and fire. True, there are SOME that you MAY not have time to draw chamber and fire, there are still a lot that would exist. Not really a good analogy.

 

[coboblack]

I think a proper car analogy would be more like "Leaving the engine running vs turning it off when you're sitting still in heavy traffic."

Way better, or I like the one where a guy said...its like trying driving around and putting your seatbelt on when you see that your about to hit a semi truck.

 

[TheRealT-Dawg]

surprised this thread is still going

 

[txinvestigator]

Kids have nothing to do with a round being chambered or not. This is exactly like what I hear all the time about people wanting a manual safety on their gun "in case their kid gets a hold of it". The easy answer is DON'T LET YOUR KID GET A HOLD OF YOUR GUN! Seriously. If you have children, you need to have a quick access gun safe like a Gunvault brand safe. It is never okay to leave guns laying around with children in the house. Chambered or not, it needs to be properly secured. This is a question people blow out of proportion, and that is the simple solution.

Thank you. Logic seems to evaporate with this topic.

 

[pvtsnowball82]

Although I get the point your making to him...thats a bit much. A blade with no edge can, under NO circumstances but sharpened in time to use. There are any number of circumstances you will have time to draw and fire. True, there are SOME that you MAY not have time to draw chamber and fire, there are still a lot that would exist. Not really a good analogy.

But my point in making that analogy is to say that assuming you'll have time to draw, chamber and fire is effectively the same as assuming you'll have hours or days to properly sharpen a blade. The point is *you just don't know.* Given the stakes in a violent encounter (life or death) why would you assume you'll have enough time to make ready?

 

[coboblack]

But my point in making that analogy is to say that assuming you'll have time to draw, chamber and fire is effectively the same as assuming you'll have hours or days to properly sharpen a blade. The point is *you just don't know.* Given the stakes in a violent encounter (life or death) why would you assume you'll have enough time to make ready?

I agree, like I said I've got a holster I trust and don't feel uncomfortable with it being chambered. Just the analogy didn't fit as well to me. The seat belt before a crash made more sense to me.

 

[Greg_TX]

But my point in making that analogy is to say that assuming you'll have time to draw, chamber and fire is effectively the same as assuming you'll have hours or days to properly sharpen a blade. The point is *you just don't know.* Given the stakes in a violent encounter (life or death) why would you assume you'll have enough time to make ready?

The knife analogy is a bit much. You don't have to sharpen it first - you can make someone dead quite effectively with a closed pair of scissors with no edge at all. Depends on whether you're planning to stab or filet 'em, I guess.

 

[TennisFreak]

I am a new CHL holder and so far the majority of the time I carry without a round in the chamber. I have practiced my draw enough (using my Glock 27) that it is now second nature when I pull with my right hand to automatically have my left hand grab the slide (as I bring the gun up with my right hand) and load on in the chamber. By the time my gun is drawn and pointed at target a round is in the chamber.

There have a few times I keep on in the chamber such as going to some really bad parts of town and also I when being out late at night with my wife.

 

[Skip]

I am a new CHL holder and so far the majority of the time I carry without a round in the chamber. I have practiced my draw enough (using my Glock 27) that it is now second nature when I pull with my right hand to automatically have my left hand grab the slide (as I bring the gun up with my right hand) and load on in the chamber. By the time my gun is drawn and pointed at target a round is in the chamber.

There have a few times I keep on in the chamber such as going to some really bad parts of town and also I when being out late at night with my wife.

I think your last paragraph says alot. If you carry with one in the chamber when you are going to a bad part of town, than you realize there is an advantage to doing so. Why add that extra step in what could be an extremely fast, and extremely violent situation?

 

[scap99]

I am a new CHL holder and so far the majority of the time I carry without a round in the chamber. I have practiced my draw enough (using my Glock 27) that it is now second nature when I pull with my right hand to automatically have my left hand grab the slide (as I bring the gun up with my right hand) and load on in the chamber. By the time my gun is drawn and pointed at target a round is in the chamber.

There have a few times I keep on in the chamber such as going to some really bad parts of town and also I when being out late at night with my wife.

Too bad that bad shit doesn't just happen in bad parts of town only....


"Those who appease a tiger do so in hope that the tiger will eat them last."
-Winston Churchill

 

[J. Fred]

What do you do if something has happened with your left/right arm/hand before you can load a round ?

 

[alexrex20]

I don't even use ammo because it's too dangerous. I just have a gun because the bad guy will run off when I aim the gun at him. The only reason I don't use airsoft anymore is because they have the orange paint on the muzzle; makes it too obvious that it's not a weapon.