As a pharmacist, this scares the bajeezus out of me.
Tyranny scares me more. I'd rather fall to my knees from one of these antibiotics than someone else pointing a govt rifle at my head.
As a pharmacist, this scares the bajeezus out of me.
Sure, veterinarian antibiotics could be used in a pinch.Doing research into storing/making penicillin, I learned of the alternative. Having friends in the veterinarian business, I knew that they used the same drugs prescribed to humans. Like Tramadol. Given to my dog after he was fixed.
Stocking up the first aid inventory. One of the most important things are antibiotics. Wet penicillin has to be refrigerated and all the things it'd take to keep the fridge running in a specifically small range of temps. I need dry antibiotics and I'm sure my doctor won't prescribe 60 tablets of 500mg just so I can store them for the Clinton/Trump apocalypse.
Enter....Veterinarian antibiotics. Readily available and usually made under the same roof as human medications. USDA inspected and regulated ingredients.
Below is a list of 'Fish Antibiotics'. Dry, capsules that don't need to be refrigerated.
Penicillin
Penicillin is an antibiotic in the penicillin group of drugs. It fights bacteria in your body.
Penicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, urinary tract infections, septicemia, meningitis, intra-abdominal infection, gonorrhea, syphilis, pneumonia, respiratory infections, ear, nose and throat infections, skin and soft tissue infections.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Pen and 500mg Fish Pen Forte
Amoxicillin
A penicillin antibiotic. It fights bacteria in your body.
Amoxicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, bladder infections, pneumonia, gonorrhea, and E. coli or salmonella infection.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Mox (for children) and 500mg Fish Mox Forte (for adults).
Ciprofloxacin, or Cipro
Ciprofloxacin is an antibiotic in a group of drugs called fluoroquinolones. It is used as a potent, broad-spectrum antibiotic to fight bacteria in the body.
It may also be used to prevent or slow anthrax after exposure.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 500mg Fish Flox Forte
Cephalexin, or Keflex
Cephalexin is in a group of drugs called cephalosporin antibiotics. Keflex fights bacteria in the body.
Keflex is used to treat infections caused by bacteria, including upper respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections, urinary tract infections, tooth and mouth infections.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Flex and 500mg Fish Flex Forte
Doxycycline
Doxycycline is a tetracycline antibiotic. It fights bacteria in the body. It may be substituted in place of penicillin to treat common infections in those people who are allergic to that particular drug.
Doxycycline is used to treat many different bacterial infections, such as urinary tract infections, acne, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, Lyme disease or tick bite infections, anthrax infections, cholera, periodontitis (gum disease), and others.
Exercise caution with expired Doxycycline / tetracycline and -cycline medications. There has been some documentation of liver damage and some have even labeled it toxic if used past the expiration date. However, Doxycycline provides a great alternative to penicillin medications for those who are allergic.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 100mg Bird Biotic
Sure, veterinarian antibiotics could be used in a pinch.
and that is pretty much what this thread is about.
It's interesting that some seem to think that during a major shtf type scenario that help will be as close as a phone call away. That doctors will be making house calls as civilization collapses.
People who are truly interested in prepping should venture over to www.survivalistboards.com where you will find some very good knowledge from people who take this stuff seriously.
No...What they (Nurses/EMTs/Corpsmen/Medics/Doctors) recommend is common sense towards things and planning ahead. There is some pretty good field/trauma/etc medical knowledge and training available in the "be prepared" community.Do you guys recommend keeping a Sanford Guide in your IFAK?
and then worrying about medical training implied you thought a doctor had to be involved for safety.As a pharmacist, this scares the bajeezus out of me.
I didn't say to not use drugs because you don't have a prescription. I was pointing out that many antibiotics are targeted and using the wrong one for an infection could make your condition worse. If you don't know what you are doing, it could be dangerous.
And I agree that the other board would have better info.
And they probably agree that if you want to be prepared, you should study now to be ready when needed.
If I were inclined I would gather the guidelines for the most likely infections (pneumonia, cellulitis, UTI, c diff, etc) and get a treatment option or two for each. Most antibiotics have a shelf life of no more than a couple years so you'd have to replenish with some frequency. To me, that sounds expensive for the low likelihood of an incident.
Another strategy would be to have a list of target drugs and plan to acquire when the likelihood increases.
That specific comment about towing the company line was directed at "pharmaco" but your comment of and then worrying about medical training implied you thought a doctor had to be involved for safety.
The post was also aimed in general to all the people saying it was a bad idea if you weren't licensed. As if there would be other options in the event of a societal collapse or other protracted event.
The pet stuff is relatively inexpensive and I believe some of the dried versions store very well in a freezer long term. That being said many of the things that a prepared person keeps on hand have a shelf life and need to be replaced over time so it's nothing new.
There is not always time to see that *things are imminent* in a disaster/shtf event. So waiting is a poor choice and exactly the type of thing prepared people try not to do. Not the kind of suggestion likely to garner support on a prepping forum.
I am curious t hough, because I have hypothyroidism... Exactly how long is levothyroxine good for? I was tip top shape until about 6 years ago when I couldn't walk without getting a muscle cramp.. Came to find out my thyroid had stopped working. If I dont take 88 mcg a day in a month I'm bedridden and a month after that serious problems.
1.) I'm a Doctor of Pharmacy.No...What they (Nurses/EMTs/Corpsmen/Medics/Doctors) recommend is common sense towards things and planning ahead. There is some pretty good field/trauma/etc medical knowledge and training available in the "be prepared" community.
To die or lose a limb because you were too worried about not having a doctor's script for those antibiotics is pretty stupid.
1.) Am I correct that "pharmaco" denotes a connection to a pharmacy or drug sales position.
2.) If so it's not surprising that you tout the company line of...you're all going to die because a doctor didn't approve the treatment".
Not taking anything away from TGT but this survival section (like pretty much every one I have seen on various forums) is VERY basic and lacking....for people who want to learn more and get in depth responses head over to my previous link for a much better information source.
Respectfully, I'D probably d/c the oral antibiotics and apply a topical steroid with the triple antibiotic ointment, but hey, that's just what I'D do...3 days later his legs start hurting really bad, and he develops some large watery blisters. What now? Which antibiotic do you consider to be common sense at this point?
I am curious t hough, because I have hypothyroidism... Exactly how long is levothyroxine good for? I was tip top shape until about 6 years ago when I couldn't walk without getting a muscle cramp.. Came to find out my thyroid had stopped working. If I dont take 88 mcg a day in a month I'm bedridden and a month after that serious problems.