A word of warning to those plan on bugging out if SHTF.

[ZX9RCAM]

You should have asked for Dihydrogen Monoxide....

Why?

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

 

[Stukaman]

I live on the edge of my city think I could get just have to consider alternate roads like bar ditches do a little a bushwhacking if the need but I'm working on this as my daily driver currently.

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[Younggun]

Why?

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

You realize that site only exists to show how something can be blown out of proportion and be considered extremely hazardous for no reason, right.


Read very carefully.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Yes, I understand it is all a joke....that's why I posted it.

 

[GlockOwner]

nvm, you got it lol

 

[Younggun]

Yes, I understand it is all a joke....that's why I posted it.

Ok, lol.

What's crazy is that they actually got a ton of people to sign a petition to ban it.

Shows how stupid people can be.

 

[Sugar Land]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in numbers.

 

[Younggun]

It's bad, m'kay.

 

[TX69]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in numbers.

The reason why we need high cap mags

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

...and knives. Knives never run out of bullets and you can guarantee the penetration by just pushing harder.

I think a lot of people around here really don't give the knife the props it deserves.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

...and knives. Knives never run out of bullets and you can guarantee the penetration by just pushing harder.

I think a lot of people around here really don't give the knife the props it deserves.

Knives are GREAT, in fact I have the knife I carried in Vietnam in '67. You just cannot forget the first rule, which is never take a knife to a gun gun fight...

 

[PhulesAu]

You realize that site only exists to show how something can be blown out of proportion and be considered extremely hazardous for no reason, right.


Read very carefully.

Like Robbie the Robot's opinion on Oxygen. " I rarely use it myself, it promotes rust"

 

[SOTB]

To the OP's first post, ignoring whether rucking out on foot is a good idea or not, getting the hang of rucking isn't that difficult. In fact IMO, rucking is easier to practice and do than running. I have knees beaten up by silly stuff while in the Corps and in civvie life to include parachute and paraglider landings, and after all this time I find rucking to be something I can do without being prone to injury -- I can't always say the same for running.

IMO the key is to simply set a realistic ruck weight goal and ruck distance/speed. In my case, I can still knock out sub-15 min miles with a 51lb ruck (I use an ALICE-pack lg w/frame and chest/waist straps). But you won't likely get there overnight, unless you are already in good shape and have good footwear. I usually ruck 2-3 X per week, 4 mi per session (I don't have time for the longer rucks), and the N Dallas heat/sun has zero effect. This isn't because I'm a stud (I'm pushing 50 and easily 10-15 lb overweight), just that I practice consistently.

For SHTF scenarios, I prefer to stay in, and if that isn't an option -- then I have a place already set up to go to. Food, LOTS of water, accomodations, etc. But the plan is to drive there, or fire the families off early on, and myself and/or another coming up later if the primary residences are simply no longer possible to stay at. Even then, I would prefer to drive as far as possible, but realize a different mode of transport might be necessary. In my case, its 150 mi. That isn't going to be an easy walk (I don't think walking down the interstate is a viable option). And it is almost ridiculous to consider attempting with my family -- who doesn't have the conditioning or mindset necessary for the movement.

For sure, if you think a long walk might be in your bug-out plans, it pays to take a look at that now, versus at the moment you are going to need doing it....

 

[breakingcontact]

^your talk of rucking for exercise makes me feel lazy for barely making the gym.

Agree that water is needed in larger quantities than most assume.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

If you are knocking out sub 15 min miles with a 50 lb ruck you are in UNBELIEVABLE shape. Who knows what std the military works to today, but in the 1/9th Inf (Manchu) on the DMZ, Korea it was 15 mi, 3 hrs, winter ruck, all LBE, 2 canteens, weapon, basic load, combat ready by the book...EVERY Sat am 0430.

I lost 90 lbs that year and I was military fit when I arrived in country. I weighed 207 lb when I left for Vietnam, came back at 131 lbs, but our rucks avg 150 lb +/-.

My training ruck is ruck + 40 lbs of sand, bladder canteen, 5 mi circuit, 21/2 at just under 15 mi per mile, last 2 1/2 doing the airborne shuffle, which is just right at a double time, which gets me into 10 min per mi terrority, 3x per week. At that level you cannot eat enough to gain weight. Docs told us we burn between 8000 and 10,000 cals a day, I could never eat enough and the I struggled to keep my weight in the 140's on my 6' 2" frame..

Yea, I am Infantry I know what it takes to haul the ruck and with 875 soldiers, not a single one was even close to overweight

 

[macshooter]

If you are knocking out sub 15 min miles with a 50 lb ruck you are in UNBELIEVABLE shape. Who knows what std the military works to today, but in the 1/9th Inf (Manchu) on the DMZ, Korea it was 15 mi, 3 hrs, winter ruck, all LBE, 2 canteens, weapon, basic load, combat ready by the book...EVERY Sat am 0430.

I lost 90 lbs that year and I was military fit when I arrived in country. I weighed 207 lb when I left for Vietnam, came back at 131 lbs, but our rucks avg 150 lb +/-.

My training ruck is ruck + 40 lbs of sand, bladder canteen, 5 mi circuit, 21/2 at just under 15 mi per mile, last 2 1/2 doing the airborne shuffle, which is just right at a double time, which gets me into 10 min per mi terrority, 3x per week. At that level you cannot eat enough to gain weight. Docs told us we burn between 8000 and 10,000 cals a day, I could never eat enough and the I struggled to keep my weight in the 140's on my 6' 2" frame..

Yea, I am Infantry I know what it takes to haul the ruck and with 875 soldiers, not a single one was even close to overweight

Wow. My lowest weight in college was 155, and I was in 29" jeans. I'm 5'11" You must have looked like you hiked from Auschwitz.

 

[Robb in Austin]

I35 Austin

If only our stretch of I-35 was that big.

 

[just jk]

if your cardio fitness level is running from the couch to the freezer for more ice cream - eating carbs 30 minutes before a hike in the sun is a really bad idea

protein/sugar is actually better.....nuts, energy bar, trail mix, etc

im not sure if the SH*T hits the fan for real that you'll have time to prepare a carb loaded meal 30 minutes in advance

in a real world scenario - your adrenaline and survival instincts are hopefully going to provide you with a bit better endurance

in the mean time - take up some form of regular cardio fitness - you'll feel tons better even if sh&T never does hit the fan

 

[just jk]

and if i repeated advice previously given - my apologies - i read the OP and nothing else

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Wow. My lowest weight in college was 155, and I was in 29" jeans. I'm 5'11" You must have looked like you hiked from Auschwitz.

When I came back from Korea my wife did not recognize me when I stepped off the plane, my parents did not recognize me when I got off the plane from Vietnam.

Combat load on the last study I saw (Iraq 2010) is 159 lbs average, depends upon unit SOP for carry load list. Bottom line is most carry around their body weight. Some guys more, some less. Of that I can tell you I carried less than 5 lbs of personal gear, the rest is combat loading. Its brutal I guess, too young to really know. The Army does say that we carry no more than 20% of body weight, but I am convinced they state that to keep from having to pay disablity to Infantry guys. Many are royally mucked up in the back, shoulders, hips, knees, ankles...by the grace of God and good genes I made it thru in not too bad of shape.

AND they think WOMEN can be Infantry?