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  • karlac

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    The problem with claiming that media is in control is that the media that is supposed to be in control has no credibility and most people are using alternative sources now. And they don’t actually have any control of what you read, hear, or see.

    When you consider that most of your above comes from streaming media over the Interwebz, beware underestimating the power of the combined algorithm/AI that increasingly controls what you see and hear ... or worse, what you don't see and hear...

    Control the bits and bytes and you control everything when it comes to what constitutes "alternative sources" today.

    Perfect example is FB and Twitter's "deboost algorithm", widely used, but little known or realized.
     
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    When you consider that most of your above comes from streaming media over the Interwebz, beware underestimating the power of the combined algorithm/AI that increasingly controls what you see and hear ... or worse, what don't see and hear...

    I’m well aware which is why I included “despite YouTube’s best efforts”.


    Of course YouTube, etc have no control over The Blaze (formerly CRTV) or The Daily Wire.


    I’m not saying there are no issues. I’m saying that there is a lot of hyperbole and making such overblown claims only makes for easily defeated arguments.


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    Of course YouTube, etc have no control over The Blaze (formerly CRTV) or The Daily Wire.

    Keep on believing that ... like an ostrich with it's head in the sand.

    Here it is again -- when you control networks, any networks the bits and bytes, you control everything.
     

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    Keep on believing that ... like an ostrich with it's head in the sand.

    Here it is again -- when you control networks, any networks the bits and bytes, you control everything.

    Disagreeing with you doesn’t mean my head is in the sand.


    I saw what happened with Alex Jones. I also saw the outcry despite the majority of people believing he is a crack pot carnival barker. He was the easiest target and everyone involved in his blacklisting still caught hell.

    Bank of America shut down the account of a Trump supporting comic book creator and refused to give a reason.

    I would be willing to bet I am aware of more cases of attempted blacklisting than you. But I’m also aware of the alternative outlets people are finding. My head isn’t in my the sand, I’m watching very closely.


    Just about any outlet you pick will use some other service on its way to the public. Someone will always have “control” in that respect. Would you prefer to turn that control over to the government instead? Sounds like a bad idea to me.

    Your worried about information being restricted. I see a split coming where we end up with parallel financial and media institutions and parallel societies which don’t communicate and only see information from within their own bubbles. That will lead to a situation just as dangerous as anything you imagine.





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    Would you prefer to turn that control over to the government instead?

    There you go, putting words into our discussion that were not there to begin, and telling me what I think, based on what you think I think.

    No sense in continuing ...
     

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    I see a split coming where we end up with parallel financial and media institutions and parallel societies which don’t communicate and only see information from within their own bubbles. That will lead to a situation just as dangerous as anything you imagine.
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    An astute observation.

    Perhaps we are already there?
     

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    I'm more worried about companies like Google and Facebook than MSM companies. Main stream news (television & radio) are losing credibility and it's much easier to just not watch or listen, but most everyone uses the internet and that has much more control on content to the masses.
     

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    Perhaps we are already there?

    For the better part of the last five years ...
    What is being missed is the increasing capability, and willingness, to allow you to see and hear only what you're allowed to see and hear.

    Google search is just a visible, and mostly innocuous example of this.

    What you don't see or hear, you won't know about. It's been easy for years to inject code into a web page, transmitted over a packet switching network, to change it's meaning/content before it gets to you.

    Making you figuratively an ostrich with it's head in sand ... only you won't even realize it.

    IOW, the confirmation biased "bubble" is already obsolete thinking ...
     

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    I'm more worried about companies like Google and Facebook than MSM companies. Main stream news (television & radio) are losing credibility and it's much easier to just not watch or listen, but most everyone uses the internet and that has much more control on content to the masses.

    Here's just one hit list of conservative twitter accounts twitter is rooting out and either deboosting, censoring, or downright closing via AI/algorithms.

    Why?

    Because they discussed "voter fraud".

    https://www.iwr.ai/voterfraud/index.html#top

    The rationale/methodology follows the graphics on the page.
    If you thoroughly understand the how, the why is chilling ...
     

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    Where does critical thinking skills and interpersonal communication get injected?

    Since the beginning of the internet, the derisive adage that “it was on the internet, so it must be true” has existed. Before that, it was tv news, radio, newspapers, preachers, politician, etc.
     

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    Where does critical thinking skills and interpersonal communication get injected?

    Are humans collectively even capable of going down that road?
    The mathematical certainty of the Bell curve says not ...

    Since the beginning of the internet, the derisive adage that “it was on the internet, so it must be true” has existed. Before that, it was tv news, radio, newspapers, preachers, politician, etc.

    History will not be kind to the initial promise of the "Information Age", which, technologically speaking, lends itself all to well to a perversion into the "Disinformation Age".

    It will take the next iteration of "technology" (AI??) to correct this weakness, but, if human history is any indication, only for a while ... :(
     

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    I think many here are taking Renegades posts in the worst light possible.

    I don’t believe his thoughts are nearly as accepting of tyranny as many are pointing them to be.


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    Yep. Can’t decide if some of these folks feud and bicker at each other worse than a bunch of old widder ladies or 6th grade school girls. lol. Know the place is knee deep with grammar and speeling correctors. That’s special.
     

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    I myself live by the rule, "Don't invite the man into your life."
    Don't you have an FFL? :laughing:

    And how is a child molester (Vernon Howell) germane to this topic?
    Right, and those kids were protected from the child molester by being burned alive.


    realized 200 vs 6000 was a waste of life
    The confiscators realize that, too so an actual door to door event is very unlikely. There's a lot more of "us" than "them". In a 1-to-1 attrition, they'll run out of door kickers quickly.


    They don’t control anything except their corporations. And even then the amount of government regulation on a corporation kind of kills that whole argument.
    Regulation actually favors large corporations, and forever links them to government power structures. Why do you think Google and Facebook want more internet regulation.

    Government oversight/control of private business is one aspect of fascism. To your point, just one aspect doesn't make our government fascist. To me corporatism has become another branch of government. I think the current flavor started when the largest banks got together and told the government, "zomg you need to regulate us, and here's the perfect way to do it" and then the FED was born.

    Walt Disney (DIS), Time Warner (TWX), CBS Corporation (CBS), Viacom (VIAB), NBC Universal, and News Corporation (NWSA).
    Only boomers and libtards watch that stuff ;)

    Of course YouTube, etc have no control over The Blaze (formerly CRTV) or The Daily Wire.
    They have become too popular for this to happen to, but Google can and has limited access to websites they just don't like. The Blaze is also clearly not immune to populist bullshit. It is not a coincidence Gavin being fired followed being depersoned by the mainstream.
     
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