A Message to the Church of Bill of Sale

[Shady]

so we have more evidence of a BOS being used against the seller.

Still waiting on how it saved someones bacon its only been 5+ years of waiting but I am not in a hurry

 

[V-Tach]

Exactly my point.........it was used as evidence against the cop.....

He could have bought the gun and gave it his uncle as a gift......but he did a straw man purchase under the law....

His BOS to his uncle gave them the evidence they needed to convict....they would have never even known about the glock except for that BOS....

 

[easy rider]

so we have more evidence of a BOS being used against the seller.

Still waiting on how it saved someones bacon its only been 5+ years of waiting but I am not in a hurry

There are far more transactions made in this country using a bill of sale then there are without. To suggest that a bill of sale will get you in trouble is just plain silly. Now if you are doing something illegal, leaving a paper trail is a bit silly, but I doubt there is anyone in jail on the charge of "bill of sale".

Now I'm not a proponent of a private citizen using a bill of sale in a private firearms sale, but to suggest using one will get you in trouble is going a bit far.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Exactly my point.........it was used as evidence against the cop.....

He could have bought the gun and gave it his uncle as a gift......but he did a straw man purchase under the law....

His BOS to his uncle gave them the evidence they needed to convict....they would have never even known about the glock except for that BOS....

I wonder how they knew about the BOS?
What even causes them to start investigating?
Maybe somebody posted their business on FB....

 

[Renegade]

Seems I remember a fairly recent story about a cop who bought a blue label glock for his uncle. Cop lived in NC or somewhere and the Uncle who was a retired cop lived in NJ or thereabouts. The retired cop uncle wanted a good deal on the Glock and his cop nephew took his uncle's money and purchased the blue label glock and gave it to his uncle.......he filled out a BOS to his Uncle..........ATF filed on the cop for a straw man purchase on the basis of the BOS........I'll see if I can find the story later when I have time....we may have discussed it here on TGT....point was....if no BOS.....ATF would have never known or had a case to file....

Case was Abramski. And yes he too got busted because he left a paper trail.

 

[V-Tach]

Cam the cop was being investigated for something else. The only thing they found when they served the search warrant was the BOS they used to convict him. No other charges were filed on him. So yes he was being investigated for something totally unrelated to the glock sale to his uncle.....not having anything they could get him on, they used that.....

 

[Renegade]

There are far more transactions made in this country using a bill of sale then there are without. To suggest that a bill of sale will get you in trouble is just plain silly. Now if you are doing something illegal, leaving a paper trail is a bit silly, but I doubt there is anyone in jail on the charge of "bill of sale"

The Bill of Sale is almost always the initial evidence that tips them off and allows them to build case.

 

[V-Tach]

I don't personally care what two individuals do in a private sale...that's their business, not mine.......If someone wants a DNA swab, and the other party agrees....that's their business......

Of course all of our customers receive a BOS......

But I have observed a private sale BOS has been used more to put someone in a precarious legal/criminal position than helping them.........

 

[Renegade]

I wonder how they knew about the BOS?
What even causes them to start investigating?

He was under investigation for other crimes (Bank robbery I think), and it was found during search. Bank robbery case fell apart, so they stuck him with lying on 4473.

 

[easy rider]

The Bill of Sale is almost always the initial evidence that tips them off and allows them to build case.

Of something illegal. Selling a firearm is not illegal in itself, and a bill of sale would not make it illegal.

 

[Renegade]

Selling a firearm is not illegal in itself, and a bill of sale would not make it illegal.

Sometimes selling the firearm is illegal. And having a BOS showing you did it, would not be very helpful. There is just no scenario ever presented, where a BOS helped someone get out of trouble.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Cam the cop was being investigated for something else. The only thing they found when they served the search warrant was the BOS they used to convict him. No other charges were filed on him. So yes he was being investigated for something totally unrelated to the glock sale to his uncle.....not having anything they could get him on, they used that.....

Damn....

 

[easy rider]

I don't personally care what two individuals do in a private sale...that's their business, not mine.......If someone wants a DNA swab, and the other party agrees....that's their business......

Of course all of our customers receive a BOS......

But I have observed a private sale BOS has been used more to put someone in a precarious legal/criminal position than helping them.........

That may be true, but still, suggesting that using a bill of sale in a transaction can only lead to trouble is not true.

 

[easy rider]

Sometimes selling the firearm is illegal. And having a BOS showing you did it, would not be very helpful. There is just no scenario ever presented, where a BOS helped someone get out of trouble.

Would you like to bet on that?

 

[V-Tach]

That may be true, but still, suggesting that using a bill of sale in a transaction can only lead to trouble is not true.

Not suggesting anything.....folks are free to conduct their private business how they see fit...

Just my observation/opinion.......

 

[Renegade]

Would you like to bet on that?

You got something to say, say it. Nobody yet has shown a case where a BOS got someone out of trouble. Would love to see one.

 

[SQLGeek]

Plates go with the car unless vanity.

In Texas you can keep your plates. I've actually seen it recommended somewhere in Texas DMV literature that you should but it's not required.

 

[Vaquero]

Who is the troll?

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Weak

 

[SQLGeek]

I have a solution to this:

Nobody sell your guns ever. Problem solved.

 

[toddnjoyce]

If HR8 passes, this’ll be a moot. No more private sales for anyone.