What signs will bar entry to a business for CC person if legislation passes?

[jordanmills]

I just realized that there is no "volunteer emergency services personnel" exception to 30.05 in HB 1927 (or already existing). I guess it doesn't much matter if 30.05 does not apply to an LTC holder though.

 

[ScottDLS]

I just realized that there is no "volunteer emergency services personnel" exception to 30.05 in HB 1927 (or already existing). I guess it doesn't much matter if 30.05 does not apply to an LTC holder though.

Another good reason to keep LTC. I just got my renewal through 2026 in the mail Tuesday.

 

[jordanmills]

Another good reason to keep LTC. I just got my renewal through 2026 in the mail Tuesday.

Worth it for not waiting on NCIS alone.

 

[ScottDLS]

Worth it for not waiting on NCIS alone.

On that topic, has anyone around here heard of FFL's that do NICS check on people who have valid LTC? Last gun I bought from FFL was in 2017, and I don't recall that they did one, but it seems like I keep hearing that FFL's are doing them anyway...which I think is dumb.

 

[Renegade]

On that topic, has anyone around here heard of FFL's that do NICS check on people who have valid LTC? Last gun I bought from FFL was in 2017, and I don't recall that they did one, but it seems like I keep hearing that FFL's are doing them anyway...which I think is dumb.

A lot of big box stores will.

 

[jordanmills]

On that topic, has anyone around here heard of FFL's that do NICS check on people who have valid LTC? Last gun I bought from FFL was in 2017, and I don't recall that they did one, but it seems like I keep hearing that FFL's are doing them anyway...which I think is dumb.

Just Academy.

 

[SARGE67]

If you buy online, choose to have it sent to your local gun range for you to pick up with paper work only. I'd check with them first though. Mine doesn't run the NICS if you have a LTC.

 

[DougC]

It may be a distraction to you, but it is a change in the law. I’m willing to bet most people don’t know what the codes say, much less what it means and the operation of the law.

Today, barring a 30.06 or 30.07, there is not any other legal means of providing written notice prohibiting entry with firearms by a license holder. Come 1 September, there will be one due to a change in the code, and the signage for 30.05 isn’t required to be verbatim as 30.06 and 30.07 are.

In my mind, solely posting 30.05 signage is going to give some business owners a false sense that it will keep all guns out of their place of business, and some LTC holders aren’t going to be aware they could wind up in court given a zealous business owner and DA like one might find in Austin, DFW, Houston, San Antonio, or El Paso. In other instances, some LTC holders may mistakenly think 30.05 signage is the same as 30.06/.07, which it’s not.

I believe an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If we can at least have the discussion so that LTC holders can understand what the these changes mean and how they can play out, then that’s all that matters.

What would make of this signage posted in

Torchy's Tacos Frisco-Hollyhock, 1555 US Hwy 380 Suite 100, Frisco (Collin County), TX 75034?​

Not posted where customers would see it on entry, on side of beverage station to hallway to restrooms. I only saw it when walking in from outdoor patio.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Concealed carry with LTC only....

 

[toddnjoyce]

What would make of this signage posted in

Torchy's Tacos Frisco-Hollyhock, 1555 US Hwy 380 Suite 100, Frisco (Collin County), TX 75034?​

Not posted where customers would see it on entry, on side of beverage station to hallway to restrooms. I only saw it when walking in from outdoor patio.

I would make sure not to give Torchy’s a reason to have to ask me to leave.

 

[DougC]

Yup, keep your head on a swivel and stay sober and enjoy the Tacos. This month's special was delicious.

 

[rotor]

What would make of this signage posted in

Torchy's Tacos Frisco-Hollyhock, 1555 US Hwy 380 Suite 100, Frisco (Collin County), TX 75034?​

Not posted where customers would see it on entry, on side of beverage station to hallway to restrooms. I only saw it when walking in from outdoor patio.

Once you see it then it is valid assuming the letter size is correct for 30.07. Note 07 needs to be at each entrance. I would assume okay to conceal with LTC.

 

[jordanmills]

Once you see it then it is valid assuming the letter size is correct for 30.07. Note 07 needs to be at each entrance. I would assume okay to conceal with LTC.

Or it just doesn't apply if you're volunteer emergency services personnel.

 

[leVieux]

rotor,

As I often travel out of Texas for business/TP rallies/pleasure, I will KEEP/RENEW my LTC.

yours, satx

I'm told by LEO's that a "LTC" is instant ID that the bearer is not a criminal felon.

We live in LA and keep both LA & TX licenses, as we spend a lot of time in TX.

leVieux

 

[Axxe55]

I'm told by LEO's that a "LTC" is instant ID that the bearer is not a criminal felon.

We live in LA and keep both LA & TX licenses, as we spend a lot of time in TX.

leVieux

Incorrect. It only proves that they weren't at the time the permit was issued.

 

[jordanmills]

Incorrect. It only proves that they weren't at the time the permit was issued.

If the license holder is charged with any of the disqualifying crimes, the license is revoked in the system and the DPS comes to collect the card. Or that's what my understanding is - I'm not going to test it.

 

[benenglish]

If the license holder is charged with any of the disqualifying crimes, the license is revoked in the system and the DPS comes to collect the card. Or that's what my understanding is - I'm not going to test it.

I've seen this in action and my experience is that DPS doesn't ever show up to collect the license.

That was a sample of one and years ago, so take it FWIW. I sure hope they do better these days.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I've seen this in action and my experience is that DPS doesn't ever show up to collect the license.

That was a sample of one and years ago, so take it FWIW. I sure hope they do better these days.

The only case I’ve heard of was an LEO confiscating the license as an adjunct to the original stop when the ID check returned an invalid status.

 

[jordanmills]

I've seen this in action and my experience is that DPS doesn't ever show up to collect the license.

That was a sample of one and years ago, so take it FWIW. I sure hope they do better these days.

Thanks, good to have info from real experience. They do invalidate or remove the license in the ID system though, right?

 

[jordanmills]

The only case I’ve heard of was an LEO confiscating the license as an adjunct to the original stop when the ID check returned an invalid status.

I'd been told they they will actively come out and get it. That was from a pasadena police officer, and more than a few years ago. So even if it were accurate, I recognize it may no longer be accurate.