We don't need to secede. And shouldn't.

[Rebel]

YG, yes.

Good.. I'll pee in your cup

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You would.

 

[shortround]

In the natural course of natural history secession has often caused war and human calamity.

The Constitution allows for a "Convention of the States." That has only happened once before, and the Northern States refused to participate. That Convention ended badly for the South.

Today, we have far more free-market States in the union, while only about 11 lean socialist.

Instead of a "Convention of the States," we could organize an assembly of free states. This assembly could declare Federal Income Taxes Null & Void. Such an action is fully within the scope of the Constitution and within the intent of the Declaration of Independence.

Without federal taxes, the Federal Government would be paralyzed overnight.

The "Free States" would collect the taxes demanded by the Federal Government, and only give Washington enough money to defend the nation, conduct foreign relations, and maintain free trade.

How could the President, the Congress, and the Supreme court over come such a calamity? They can not. They don't have the power of federal armed forces to compel the states to do otherwise.

The 9th & 10th Amendments, trump the lawless Federal cabal.

Think about it -- unless the Federal Armed Forces are totally corrupt, they will not take up arms against fellow citizens, and who would they begin with while the rest of the state's militias rise up?

We are far more powerful than the elected elite think we are.

We need the Governors of Free States to stand up to the Federal Behemoth.

Be well.

 

[308nato]

In the natural course of natural history secession has often caused war and human calamity.

The Constitution allows for a "Convention of the States." That has only happened once before, and the Northern States refused to participate. That Convention ended badly for the South.

Today, we have far more free-market States in the union, while only about 11 lean socialist.

Instead of a "Convention of the States," we could organize an assembly of free states. This assembly could declare Federal Income Taxes Null & Void. Such an action is fully within the scope of the Constitution and within the intent of the Declaration of Independence.

Without federal taxes, the Federal Government would be paralyzed overnight.

The "Free States" would collect the taxes demanded by the Federal Government, and only give Washington enough money to defend the nation, conduct foreign relations, and maintain free trade.

How could the President, the Congress, and the Supreme court over come such a calamity? They can not. They don't have the power of federal armed forces to compel the states to do otherwise.

The 9th & 10th Amendments, trump the lawless Federal cabal.

Think about it -- unless the Federal Armed Forces are totally corrupt, they will not take up arms against fellow citizens, and who would they begin with while the rest of the state's militias rise up?

We are far more powerful than the elected elite think we are.

We need the Governors of Free States to stand up to the Federal Behemoth.

Be well.

Great post +1.

 

[winchster]

In the natural course of natural history secession has often caused war and human calamity.

The Constitution allows for a "Convention of the States." That has only happened once before, and the Northern States refused to participate. That Convention ended badly for the South.

Today, we have far more free-market States in the union, while only about 11 lean socialist.

Instead of a "Convention of the States," we could organize an assembly of free states. This assembly could declare Federal Income Taxes Null & Void. Such an action is fully within the scope of the Constitution and within the intent of the Declaration of Independence.

Without federal taxes, the Federal Government would be paralyzed overnight.

The "Free States" would collect the taxes demanded by the Federal Government, and only give Washington enough money to defend the nation, conduct foreign relations, and maintain free trade.

How could the President, the Congress, and the Supreme court over come such a calamity? They can not. They don't have the power of federal armed forces to compel the states to do otherwise.

The 9th & 10th Amendments, trump the lawless Federal cabal.

Think about it -- unless the Federal Armed Forces are totally corrupt, they will not take up arms against fellow citizens, and who would they begin with while the rest of the state's militias rise up?

We are far more powerful than the elected elite think we are.

We need the Governors of Free States to stand up to the Federal Behemoth.

Be well.

I've often said, all it will take to fix this thing, or start a shooting war that would fix it, is for a single state to tell the feds to pound sand as it relates to taxes.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[Jeffrey]

I first wrote this in 2009. Seems it's getting more and more poignant nowadays.
The Mayflower option:
In the past, people who felt persecuted by the policies and actions of their government had the “Mayflower option”. They could pack up their family and belongings, and travel to a new country where they can live according to their beliefs. The Mayflower is a perfect example of this. The Quakers that left England on the Mayflower were fleeing crippling taxes and religious pers...ecution by the Church of England.
Today people again find themselves facing the threat of outrageous taxation and religious persecution. We see our government flying headlong towards socialism, and speaking freely about taking money away from the people who earn it, and distributing it to the people who don’t, and doing all of this against the will of the people they took an oath to serve. In fact, the politicians in power actually laugh and make jokes about the people voicing their outrage.
The problem is that there’s no “undiscovered continent” for us to retire to. There’s no ship waiting to take us to a new world. We can’t run from this one.
Americans in general and Texans in particular crave freedom. We just want to be left alone, and we certainly don’t want politicians taking our hard-earned money and giving to people who refuse to work for a living. Taking away our healthcare rights is just insult on top injury.
What we have here in Texas is all the tools and materials to re-found a free republic. We have the legal standing that will cause other nations to recognize our independence, as well as the case law to stave off a military attack by the remnant of America.
Another asset we have here in Texas is the people. Texans by nature are an independent lot. This idea is in their hearts; our only task is to convince them of its reality. As it stands right now, people I talk to, it seems that the Republic is a “pie in the sky” that would be great, but will never happen. This is what we have to change.
We must convince people that this can be a reality. In order to do this, people must understand that our backs are already against the wall. We’re staring strait down the barrel of socialized healthcare, backed by crippling taxes. This is the very same thing that caused the fall of the Soviet Union. One only has to crunch the numbers a little bit to see that it’s just not going to work. America is heading for a catastrophic financial collapse. Unfortunately, America doesn’t have an America to pick them up and dust them off when it happens. All America has is China. Somehow, I don’t think that China will be interested in helping America back to her feet.
No good can come from allowing Texas to follow America down the drain.
As Texans we have a duty to the republic. We have no choice but to detach the Republic from America before the crash.

 

[DubiousDan]

The North is quickly becoming irrelevant other than in population numbers......Manufacturing is flourishing in the South. The jobs are relocating to those Southern States that have right to work laws, better economies and State Government policies......

I agree, we don't need so secede...

We are winning already, why give up now?

The current war on the South isn't really about some flag.........

The North is getting their asses kicked economically and are looking at economic implosion........

The unions did the North and themselves in. I was having a discussion with my son about it the other day and looked some stuff up. I remember when I was younger when steel was big business in the US and steel workers were always going on or talking about going on strike. Steel workers wage $13.53/hr in 1983 $21.30/hr with benefits while min wage in 1983 $3.35/hr. Their wages became so high that in many cases it was cheaper to buy steel from over seas. The steel workers priced themselves out of a job. Same thing happened with other manufacturers.

 

[TwinGlocks]

We'd need more land mines and drones to secure the new border......

 

[jrbfishn]

Happened with several unionized industries. There was no way they could compete with overseas.
I would like to see more firearms manufacturers in Texas though. Not just homes office but the plants too.

 

[Jeffrey]

We'd need more land mines and drones to secure the new border......

NOt really. Just advertise that the Republic of Texas has no entitlement programs. That'll keep out the ones we don't want, and the ones we do want will keep coming and bringing their capitalism with them.

 

[oldag]

The liberal intelligentsia will never want to split. For all their bull ("I will leave the U.S. if Bush is elected"), they know they need the conservatives to provide the money for the liberals to spend. They will never leave the gravy train. They may ultimately wreck it through incompetence, but they won't leave it. Ayn Rand was prophetic with "Atlas Shrugged". Some liberal spouting today is almost direct quotes from "Atlas Shrugged". Scary, really.

We have not seen problems yet. Wait until the liberals have the White House, a majority in both chambers and a majority on the Supreme Court. Then it will be ugly.

 

[cbigclarke]

NOt really. Just advertise that the Republic of Texas has no entitlement programs. That'll keep out the ones we don't want, and the ones we do want will keep coming and bringing their capitalism with them.

The problem with that is there are plenty of federal programs to keep them fat and happy

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[ROGER4314]

The OP raises some good points! We didn't F this nation up, the Liberal weenies, did! We should stay and THEY should go. The only problem I see is that (Constitution in hand), there is no process in the Constitution to expel states or territories and it would take an amendment to make that happen. Unfortunately, we don't have the votes to make the changes.

BUT.......we can dream!

EXPEL, don't secede!

Flash

 

[Savage20]

Time to hit that reset button.

 

[TheDan]

I'm going to stay home and drink tea. Y'all call me when your done

Could I come join you? I can bring sandwiches...

 

[Mreed911]

The problem with that is there are plenty of federal programs to keep them fat and happy

Those federal programs wouldn't exist in a separate Texas, is his point.

What would be interesting is exercising our right to divide into multiple states. Carve off one that contained most of the liberal votes, then five that were mostly conservative, shifting the balance of power, nationally.

 

[cbigclarke]

Could I come join you? I can bring sandwiches...

but of course. Please...join us.