US Naval Surface Ops assessment

[wiredgeorge]

Ouch... with the Chinese ramping up, the USN trains on what?

BREAKING News Out Of The NAVY- It’s An Extremely Important Report

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY This review was conducted at the direction of Senator Tom Cotton and Congressmen Mike Gallagher, Jim Banks, and Dan Crenshaw as a strictly nonpartisan exercise in Congressional oversight. The authors of this review conducted long-form interviews with numerous active-duty and...

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[Johnny Diamond]

Synopsis?

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[Wiliamr]

Synopsis?

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Row row row your boat...

 

[oldag]

Navy is in bad shape. Not enough ships. Too many down for major repairs.

Woke.

Etc., etc.

 

[wiredgeorge]

Navy isn't focused on surface warfare. Navy has line officers chasing admin such as CRT and DEI training, etc. Maintenance in the can. Chinese are set to overtake our Navy as our sailors are not warfare minded. ETC.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

So no surprises Brandon's admin continues to keep on giving.

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[General Zod]

So no surprises Brandon's admin continues to keep on giving.

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This long slide started under Clinton. It's just hitting its stride now under Shotgun Joe.

 

[wakosama]

The USN disbanded its surface ship design NAVSEA group beginning 1/1/2000, and never reorganized it. Since then there have been essentially no new ship class designs. All 'new' vessels have simply been system upgrades, design repeats or completions of designs in progress at that time. US naval surface ship design essentially ended with the 'DDG-51' Arleigh Burke class destroyers. The ill fated Zumwalt 'cruiser' was a significantly under performing and over priced failure, acknowledget to be technologically out of date even as it was being built. All the current amphibs and carriers were under construction or in final design at that time. The 'new' Constellation class frigate is a European, designed by Fincantieri and put into service by the Italians and French over 15 years ago. This is all old news.

Even at her age however, the Arleigh Burke is still the finest and most copied example of the surface combatant warship afloat.

 

[General Zod]

The USN disbanded its surface ship design NAVSEA group beginning 1/1/2000, and never reorganized it. Since then there have been essentially no new ship class designs. All 'new' vessels have simply been system upgrades, design repeats or completions of designs in progress at that time. US naval surface ship design essentially ended with the 'DDG-51' Arleigh Burke class destroyers. The ill fated Zumwalt 'cruiser' was a significantly under performing and over priced failure, acknowledget to be technologically out of date even as it was being built. All the current amphibs and carriers were under construction or in final design at that time. The 'new' Constellation class frigate is a European, designed by Fincantieri and put into service by the Italians and French over 15 years ago. This is all old news.

Even at her age however, the Arleigh Burke is still the finest and most copied example of the surface combatant warship afloat.

Zumwalt could have been an effective ship class...if they hadn't canceled the only ammunition its deck gun was capable of firing...after the cost of the ammo went through the roof. It was innovative, and with the way new weapons systems go through a decade or more of development these days there's no way to keep them current with electronics and computer systems.

Ford class carriers appear to be on their way to being effective, now that issues with the new electromagnetic catapults are being ironed out.

 

[Moonpie]

Bring back the BB's!!!!!

 

[Army 1911]

Whjy does the modern US military remind me of the Village People?

 

[paknheat]

FJB.


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[popsgarland]

Bring back the BB's!!!!!

(BB,s)? Broad butts....Big boobs....Buddies buddy....??

 

[Maxrobot]

An important issue the article brings up is that after the fall of the Soviet Union, the Navy didn't think it had to worry about surface fighting anybody. Aviation and Subs got the funding and maintenance funds. and zero tolerance meant that any slip-up cost a man his career, so nobody wanted to admit there was a problem.
Admin paperwork and attention to social issues that appeared in the news took the place of actual career development in warfare and the main job of the Navy - which is to find and sink enemy fleets..
Now China and Iran are threats, but the USN is not ready for anything Navy-to Navy.

 

[HPFlashman]

One of the best blogs on the Navy, its future, its past and what is happening now is here: https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/

Lots of spirited discussion. Some smart and sane people there.

 

[Moonpie]

(BB,s)? Broad butts....Big boobs....Buddies buddy....??

The BB was a classification of large battleships such as the USS Missouri.
Nothing else quite says I love you like 16inch diameter high explosive shells.
Of course the Navy removed all of them from service many years ago because naval leadership is a bunch of girlymen.

 

[bigbigtex]

How current is the info?

I see that the publication date of the article is Sept 28, 2023, but I searched inside the article and the latest factual date mentioned is 2010 (listed twice).

 

[oldag]

The BB was a classification of large battleships such as the USS Missouri.
Nothing else quite says I love you like 16inch diameter high explosive shells.
Of course the Navy removed all of them from service many years ago because naval leadership is a bunch of girlymen.

I wonder how the armor on the old battleships would stand up to modern antiship missiles.