The best local instructors?

avvidclif

Sturgis '95, RFTW 2010
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On the distance thing: Years ago we strapped a S&W model 36 (Chief 5 shot 38 SP 2" barrel) into a Ransom Rest. Best I remember at 50 yds it was grouping under 3" using Federal Match 148ge HBWC. So much for barrel length, the biggest difference was sight radius.
 

Axxe55

Just a man, and his dogs.
Dec 15, 2019
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somewhere.....East Texas.
On the distance thing: Years ago we strapped a S&W model 36 (Chief 5 shot 38 SP 2" barrel) into a Ransom Rest. Best I remember at 50 yds it was grouping under 3" using Federal Match 148ge HBWC. So much for barrel length, the biggest difference was sight radius.
For many years, I believed that barrel length was an indicator to accuracy. Shorter barrels = less accurate. Longer barrels = more accurate. I was wrong. I read an article in some gun magazine, many years ago where they tested that theory. Don't remember the gun or cartridge used but it was a rifle. They put the gun into rest and zeroed it, then proceeded to shoot groups, then they would shorten the barrel by an inch, then test again. Don't remember exactly how much they ended up cutting off the barrel, but accuracy didn't change as much as expected, or as one would assume.

After some research on my own, my conclusions came to this. Barrel length by itself isn't a factor in accuracy. But there are many factors that affect accuracy. Quality of the barrel and it's rifling, twist ratio, powder and bullet selection, and probably many more.
 

Jon Payne

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Nov 16, 2010
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I agree 100% with all you said room clearing tactics are for someone who doesn’t know the layout and is looking for a hidden target. I know my house layout and a home invader isn’t hiding from me.

Long range my ass average shooting is under 7 yards and takes less that 1.2 seconds start to finished.

Most people live in urban neighborhoods on lots averaging 60x120ft there is no long range need here and if you pull out your deer rifle with 3.5-10x you’ll have a hell of a time justifying self defense

Vehicles haha most people think their 9 or 40 will penetrate a windshield IT WONT especially not head on the windshield angles are to steep for vehicle aerodynamics low velocity small caliber won’t penetrate no matter how many action movies shows it. (hint shoot down on to the windshield to penetrate need to contact it flat angle)

If you want to learn skills then learn to draw from deep concealment. Learn to fire accurately from the hip. Learn trigger control.

Most importantly Learn Zanshin (a state of awareness, of relaxed alertness).

Most people are so unaware of their surroundings they are screwed before they even realize there is a threat.

That’s what kept me alive as a cop. And I teach as a trainer.
In your comment you mention being a cop. Am I to assume you’ve shot through windshields in real life or in training? I’ve shot through windshields,side windows, and back glass. My findings for 9 mm, 40 S&W, and 223 don’t mirror your comment.


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Gilbertc13

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I’m going to have to agree with Jon on this one. 9mm FMJ and hollowpoints will go through a windshield


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TxKronik

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In your comment you mention being a cop. Am I to assume you’ve shot through windshields in real life or in training? I’ve shot through windshields,side windows, and back glass. My findings for 9 mm, 40 S&W, and 223 don’t mirror your comment.


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Yes and I experience and I have not seen penetrations one windshields

Side and rear yes but not front
 

Hoji

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May 28, 2008
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Mustang Ridge
Yes and I experience and I have not seen penetrations one windshields

Side and rear yes but not front
Did some instructor level training that involved shooting a hole in the windshield and using it as a shooting port. Both from inside a vehicle and outside.
Most of the students were using 9mm or 40s&w. 100% of shots fired put holes in the windshields.
This was a LE training class I was able to get in as a commissioned security instructor
 

Jon Payne

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Did some instructor level training that involved shooting a hole in the windshield and using it as a shooting port. Both from inside a vehicle and outside.
Most of the students were using 9mm or 40s&w. 100% of shots fired put holes in the windshields.
This was a LE training class I was able to get in as a commissioned security instructor
Yep, I’ve shot from inside the vehicle and outside shooting into the passenger compartment. I’ve shot through doors, trunk, and “pillars”.


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Jon Payne

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If someone wants to live up to their own low expectations I’m cool with that. If they think they can measure my abilities by their standards they can fornicate themselves with a cactus.


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Gilbertc13

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“Fornicate themselves with a cactus.” I damn near spit my drink out on my laptop


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Mike_from_Texas

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If someone wants to live up to their own low expectations I’m cool with that. If they think they can measure my abilities by their standards they can fornicate themselves with a cactus.


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There’s a meme for that.

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