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  1. toddnjoyce

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    This is verbatim from the Cost Privileges and Conditions:

    “Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers.”

    https://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html

    Do you believe that provides 30.06 or 30.07 notice?

    I do not.
     


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  2. BRD@66

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    But you might lose your membership.
     
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  3. Bithabus

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    Agreed. The language would have to be 30.06 or 30.07 language
     
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  4. candcallen

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    No it wasn't instantaneous, the phuktards had to call and lie to 911 for a quick response first.

    Like I said, First costco hoplophobes pissed their panties called and lied to police. No different than swatting. They are complicit in what happened and the primary driver in starting the snowball down hill to hell. Phuck them.

    The cops didnt wait the half second to make sure there was an actual threat. Justified doesnt mean right. Yes I would begrudgingly say, from their prospective, and legally, they were technically justified based on the info they had and how laws are written.

    NONE OF THIS GETS THOSE COSTCO BASTARDS OFF THE HOOK. THEIR HANDWRINGING PANTY PISSING FLAT OUT LIES TO 911 ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING POLICE IN THE SITUATION AND SHAPING THEIR RESPONSE FOOTING.

    There is enough blame here, like every instance where this kind of failure occurs, to go around.

    If costco didnt call.
    If he didnt make a deadly mistake, I'm sure he was getting inundated with confusing commands.
    If the police put protect and serve above going home alive.
    If if if. This discussion is about open carry in stores specifically, in this instance, I'm taking about costco, their actions in starting this crap off.

    Yes I expect police to risk their life and wait that extra half second to make god damn sure the threat is immediately actionable especially in the chaos of 10 cops screaming 20 commands. It's the great failure of police training. Scaring recruits to death, pounding the "number one priority is to go home alive" crap into them instead of teaching tactics to mitigate threat and the confidence it brings. If you want to be a police officer your number one priority is to fulfill the public's trust and protect and serve. You go home alive by doing your damn job properly and if you're not willing to do it that way then find another job. It's not unreasonable and doesn't make one look bad. You see cops do it all the time, making sure the threat isnt immediate or even there and not killing someone the other wise may have been justified in doing so out of fear for life.

    Edit to remove the babbling tangent I started on.
     
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  5. txinvestigator

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    It's not 30.06 language, so no.
     
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  6. txinvestigator

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    So...wait to be shot at? Is that how you see a cops job?

    You base that on how much training and experience?
     
  7. majormadmax

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    You still need to edit all the info that doesn't seem to be available anywhere in all the sources I've found on the incident, as much of what you say sounds extremely fabricated and biased.

    By the way, save yourself the trouble of responding on my behalf, I find your posts uninformative and simply lacking any intelligence, so I am not going to bother with them in the future.
     
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  8. candcallen

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    In this case, Waiting till an actual unholsterd weapon is pointed at you? Yes I expect cops to do that.. it's not too much to ask that you serve and protect. Especially in daylight. Doesnt seem unreasonable to me.

    Getting indignant about such a request demanding ones training and experience doesnt negate the fact that people are killed when they dont have to be. I'm not saying something isnt legally justified but in some cases like the one here if the cops waited a half second they wouldnt have to live with killing him and he would be dead.

    Another example the chandler hotel shooting. If that cop had waited a half a second before shooting a confused guy with his AR he would have seen no weapon. Another case of too many commands and a confused person at gun point. These incidents should be learned from at the least not eliciting a butt hurt challange or trope about the job the stress the instant decisions and how hard they are. We all know this.

    While I am completely qualified with training and experience to state this opinion, as well as having been in this same situation at 2 am alone waiting on back up, one doesnt have to have these things to expect that in return for the trust and good faith immunity that police wait as long as possible before shooting. No one expects police get shot at first like you insinuated. I damn well expect you to goto the last second before you shoot. If you cant do that find another job. Sorry.
     
  9. majormadmax

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    Scott was acting erratically which is why the police were called in the first place. When they learned he was armed they acted appropriately. Sorry, but pointing a firearm at a police officer is a stupid and possible suicidal move, the police had no choice at that point other than to deal with the lethal threat presented towards them and it was appropriate. Waiting that "half second" would make the difference between going home to your family or going to your maker. Given the choices, all the officers made the right choice as the Grand Jury found.

    Your "logic" fails all logic, I would never wait until "the last second" to deal with a lethal threat, and anyone who does so risks their lives doing so.

    So, despite your claims to the contrary, there is absolutely no evidence to support your accusation of hoplophobia by Costco employees or inappropriate action by the police. Whatever was going through Scott's head at the time, being psychological or drug induced, made him act in a manner that was threatening to others. The family has even given up on the civil case most likely because they understand that all the fault in the matter lies with Scott.w

    And since you brought it up, the officer involved in the 2016 fatal shooting of an unarmed man outside his hotel room as officers were responding to a call that someone there was pointing a gun out a window was also cleared of criminal liability. Shaver reached toward the waistband of his shorts while held at gunpoint by the police. The officer, Mitch Brailsford, had to make a split-second decision on a situation that he was trained to recognize as someone drawing a weapon and another split second to react. Of all the police training I have been involved with, pretty much every officer I know would have responded likewise.

    That makes you zero for two when it comes to provided verifiable evidence of "hoplophobia" resulting in the death of an individual. You've expressed a lot of opinions on both examples, but absolutely no facts to support your claims.
     
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    The officer, Mitch Brailsford, had to make a split-second decision on a situation that he was trained to recognize as someone drawing a weapon and another split second to react.

    After watching body cam footage of the incident Officer Brelsford was looking to execute someone that night. He obviously was acting inappropriately and was on his own personal power trip. Mr. Shaver was trying to obey the irresponsible orders of the Deputy. For anyone to say that Mr. Shaver was reaching for a weapon is ridiculous. For LEO to excuse the Deputies action just goes to show why Law Enforcement is not trusted. Tell me why the deputy would have been fired if his actions were appropriate. It is even more egregious for the Deputy to be rehired and then allowed to retire and collect a pension. I read the excuse used to rehire him was he was going to be allowed to retire anyway due to his severe PTSD. Well, if he had such severe PTSD why was he allowed to interact with the public period. The Deputy is a murderer and hopefully the Department will be sued down to the ground.
     


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