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[ZX9RCAM]

Why practice with expensive HP ammo?
Just as long as ya verify it worked fine in the gun.
Shoot the cheap stuff at paper.

 

[leVieux]

Still just ammo to me. It works. Still deadly. Still what I used in the military.

Me too !

leVieux

 

[leVieux]

Why practice with expensive HP ammo?
Just as long as ya verify it worked fine in the gun.
Shoot the cheap stuff at paper.

We all know that "Hollow Point" has more FTL's.

leVieux

 

[Dawico]

I think, manufacturers labelling ammo as "Target" ammo as opposed to "Self-Defense" aka: "tactical" ammo are using an advertising ploy to get folks to believe that FMJ (ball) ammo, labelled as target or training ammo, is not suitable for actual self-defense and thus they need to buy both type of ammo for the two different types of shooting - target/training shooting and self-defense/tactical shooting.

Sounds like a ploy to get people to buy ammo suited for their needs.

FMJ isn't the best choice for self defense.

 

[leVieux]

Sounds like a ploy to get people to buy ammo suited for their needs.

FMJ isn't the best choice for self defense.

During my years in the U S Army, after Appomattox, I never saw a H-P handgun round.

Our vaunted 1911, and many other autoloaders were DESIGNED & BUILT to run "ball" or FMJ.

My carry stuff has a HP in the pipe, but FMJ at magazine top.

Mais-la, I'm so old fashioned that my .38 spc. revolvers are loaded with old-time Winchester "Silver-tips", just in case I run across a hungry vampire.

leVieux
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[Whistler]

Still have a few thousand of those "Silvertips" I use for reloading occasionally, they shoot quite well.

 

[seeker_two]

We all know that "Hollow Point" has more FTL's.

leVieux

Faster Than Light?.....you must be running those Super Vels.....

 

[Axxe55]

During my years in the U S Army, after Appomattox, I never saw a H-P handgun round.

Our vaunted 1911, and many other autoloaders were DESIGNED & BUILT to run "ball" or FMJ.

My carry stuff has a HP in the pipe, but FMJ at magazine top.

Mais-la, I'm so old fashioned that my .38 spc. revolvers are loaded with old-time Winchester "Silver-tips", just in case I run across a hungry vampire.

leVieux
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A lot of old wive's tales being perpetrated in this post.

 

[Pistol Pete]

Ball/FMJ is no longer considered good for self defense. HP is the thing now days. just like the .38 special is not powerful enough for self defense.. Blah Blah Blah...............................

 

[leVieux]

Ball/FMJ is no longer considered good for self defense. HP is the thing now days. just like the .38 special is not powerful enough for self defense.. Blah Blah Blah...............................

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I understand, Thanks !

I guess all those BG's I saw during my 56 years in Gulf Coast Medicine weren't really dead from those .38Spc's!

leVieux

 

[leVieux]

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Y'all have heard this before, but a few years ago I participated in the care of two New Orleans LEO's who each had taken one .380 to the upper mid-abdomen.

Both were severely injured and almost killed. I was amazed by the amount of internal organ damages from the .380.

Secondary lesson from that episode: If you are a "Patrol Officer", and especially if you do "traffic stops"; you must wear your body armor !

leVieux
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[BRD@66]

leVieux, are you engaging in a little lightweight, friendly trolling with this OP query?

 

[leVieux]

leVieux, are you engaging in a little lightweight, friendly trolling with this OP query?

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No, seriously, I hadn't kept-up with changing terminology.

When the Gun-shop Guy saw that I didn't know what he was talking about, he shifted to "dealing with a dumb-ass mode" and began "Grains means how the weight of the bullet is measured. . . . ". As best as I could tell from the ammo boxes, I was just looking at regular 9mmPB ammo, so I just bought several boxes and left.

Then I began asking different folks but was getting inconsistent replies which further confused me. To this Old Guy, "range ammo" meant cheap target loads.

Long time back, I shot quite a bit, hundreds rounds every week, but haven't practiced much at all lately. That was when our Military was switching from .45ACP to 9mm and from M14's to the little black "Stoner" rifles. My unit kept getting tons of ammo, so I could shoot all I wanted for free.

At 78, my activities are reduced to easy dove or hog hunts and self-protection. Our arthritis plus debilities of age make doing things difficult, like working the slides on 1911's.

Also, I'm "downsizing" everything and trying to simplify my life, so I'm slowly trying to get down to 2 or 3 handgun calibers (plus .22LR), two rifle calibers, and 20GA.

As best as I can tell now, "range ammo" just refers to what we called "ball" in the Army. Our handguns were designed to run on that, not HP's.

leVieux
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[Tnhawk]

Ball came from muzzleloaders, in the military FMJ was often called ball or hardball.

Only ammo types I remember using were tracer and FMJ.