Private Sale: Odessa Shooter

[GeorgeandSugar]

This just adds fuel to the fire on Universal Background Checks. I don’t know about you all, but for my peace of mind; I would not sell any firearm to anyone I did not know personally and who did not already have firearms in their inventory. The cost to have a background check performed is worth it to me. Boy, what a mess! Makes me wonder if this individual (seller) has a civil lawsuit in the future?

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...ough Friday 2019-09-03&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart


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[diesel1959]

The sky is not falling. The wrongdoer is completely responsible for their unlawful acts.

 

[31STMEUSOC]

So have they figured out why a simple car stop by a cop turned full stupid? Ok just read the article this sucks I dont do face to face anymore because I had a scary event so I dont do it I am not saying you cant I just believe its safe to meet at a gunstore.

 

[Bithabus]

If I buy a crowbar at home depot and beat 12 people to death, should home depot be liable to civil suit?

 

[Renegade]

Makes me wonder if this individual (seller) has a civil lawsuit in the future?

No risk of civil lawsuit if you do not do a BOS.

 

[BRD@66]

No risk of civil lawsuit if you do not do a BOS.

That sounds like a good topic for a thread.
Oops, here comes Cam to ask what an AR-type rifle is.

 

[JCC]

Every car stop is dangerous. Police officers never know what they might find when stopping someone for any reason.

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[toddnjoyce]

Since when did private sales become illegal in the state of Texas?

Also seems presumptuous to declare the POS murderer obtained the firearm through a private sale. Could have stolen it. Could have purchased a stolen firearm that’s been washed a couple of times.

Unless of course there’s a bill of sale provided by the seller. Even then, it’s not illegal to sell a firearm to a prohibited person in Texas; it’s illegal for the prohibited person to possess it.

The only exception I’m aware of is if the seller is aware of the purchaser/transferee’s status as a prohibited person.

 

[Renegade]

All could have been avoided if after failing NICS he was charged for lying on 4473.

Lying on 4473 - the original Red Flag of trouble ahead.

 

[toddnjoyce]

All could have been avoided if after failing NICS he was charged for lying on 4473.

Lying on 4473 - the original Red Flag of trouble ahead.

Has it been established he lied? Could have checked ‘yes’ and been turned away.

The only way any of this could have been avoided is if the POS was aborted or executed upon the adjudication.

 

[Bithabus]

Has it been established he lied? Could have checked ‘yes’ and been turned away.

FBI keeps records of all denials. Dealer won't bother to run the check if a person checks "yes"

 

[WAYnorthTX]

If I buy a crowbar at home depot and beat 12 people to death, should home depot be liable to civil suit?

Who has the deepest pockets- the home depot company, the crowbar manufacturer, the company who manufactured the paint it was painted with, the company who made the bag that home depot put it in after you bought it, or the company that made the cash register they rang it up on. Then there is the manufacturer of your car or truck you transported it home with, and...
WHAT THE HELL- JUST SUE THEM ALL !

 

[toddnjoyce]

FBI keeps records of all denials. Dealer won't bother to run the check if a person checks "yes"

The point I’m getting at is that even in the WSJ article, there isn’t an attributable source, simply anonymous LE officials.

I can see scenarios similar to ATF’s Fast & Furious debacle.

 

[Sublime]

All could have been avoided if after failing NICS he was charged for lying on 4473.

Lying on 4473 - the original Red Flag of trouble ahead.

The FBI don't have time for dat. They gotta go after vets that say they would use force against Antifa on social media.

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[Bithabus]

The point I’m getting at is that even in the WSJ article, there isn’t an attributable source, simply anonymous LE officials.

I can see scenarios similar to ATF’s Fast & Furious debacle.

I agree. It seems too convenient.

 

[Renegade]

Has it been established he lied? Could have checked ‘yes’ and been turned away.

ATF said he failed NICS. NICS does not get called if you answer yes.

 

[vmax]

If I buy a crowbar at home depot and beat 12 people to death, should home depot be liable to civil suit?

Was it an assault crowbar?

 

[Bithabus]

Was it an assault crowbar?

Well, it was used in an assault

Also it was black

 

[alias]

I sold a NIB S&W Shield to one of my best friends awhile back. I still typed up a bill of sale that he signed and I tossed it in the safe. It makes everything official, everyone feels better and it's just good policy.

 

[Bithabus]

I sold a NIB S&W Shield to one of my best friends awhile back. I still typed up a bill of sale that he signed and I tossed it in the safe. Just good policy.

Incorrect