Pistol Brace = NFA Item?

[benenglish]

Things may be changing. May.

If you have an AR or AK pattern pistol, this long read is worth the time it takes to digest it.

Newly revealed documents show ATF gave conflicting approval for pistol braces

The letter fails to acknowledge conflicting reports that ATF officials had given SB Tactical the go-ahead to proceed with the development of new braces based on ATF's initial decision letter.

www.ammoland.com

There are already YouTubers posting emotional reactions that are short on facts. If you prefer such things, you can find them easily but I strongly suggest starting with the article that's spawning all the talk.

 

[easy rider]

 

[Moonpie]

Get your gallon jugs of anti heartburn medicine right here!

 

[Sam Colt]

Perfect example of a video which is alarmist and not factual.

 

[RedArmy]

The whole short barreled rifle nonsense needs to be abolished. Just big gov trying to micro-manage the people as usual.

 

[Byrd666]

Perfect example of a video which is alarmist and not factual.

This video will give you a bit of background on the guy that put that video out. It's worth the watching.

 

[Renegade]

Story broke last month.

Some braces are pretty much stocks, and ATF is calling them out.

 

[TX OMFS]

It pleases the crown for you to pay $200 to own a weapon that is no more or less deadly than any other. Shut up peasants.

 

[RedArmy]

What exactly makes an SBR so deadly as to require a tax stamp? What, am I going to shove an AK down my shorts to conceal it?

 

[BuzzinSATX]

What exactly makes an SBR so deadly as to require a tax stamp? What, am I going to shove an AK down my shorts to conceal it?

The law was written when guys wore more long coats...maybe that’s the deal?

But the fact that SBR’s and suppressors are somehow worthy of a tax stamp and a permission note from the government is truly bullshit

 

[TX OMFS]

What exactly makes an SBR so deadly as to require a tax stamp? What, am I going to shove an AK down my shorts to conceal it?

Some of us face a similar burden daily.

 

[Axxe55]

the reasoning behind the NFA of 1934.

The ostensible impetus for the National Firearms Act of 1934 was the gangland crime of the Prohibition era, such as the St. Valentine's Day Massacre of 1929, and the attempted assassination of President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933.[3][4]:824[5][6] Like the current National Firearms Act (NFA), the 1934 Act required NFA firearms to be registered and taxed. The $200 tax was quite prohibitive at the time (equivalent to $3,822 in 2019). With a few exceptions, the tax amount is unchanged

 

[Moonpie]

As I understand it the Game&Fish cops threw down on including suppressors into the NFA.
It was in the middle of the Depression and they were freaking about Bubba poaching out the King’s deer.

 

[m5215]

So if I understand this correctly the controversy is short-barreled firearms that shoot rifle rounds, that use pistol braces. Is that correct? Are short-barreled firearms like a semi auto only SMG that use pistol rounds with a pistol brace OK?

 

[TX OMFS]

So if I understand this correctly the controversy is short-barreled firearms that shoot rifle rounds, that use pistol braces. Is that correct? Are short-barreled firearms like a semi auto only SMG that use pistol rounds with a pistol brace OK?

Caliber doesn't matter. Handguns cannot have a stock or vertical foregrip. A stock makes the weapon a rifle (or shotgun as the case may be). A rifle or shotgun cannot have a barrel shorter than 16" or 18" respectively without being registered under and taxed by the NFA.

 

[Axxe55]

Not only is any part of the NFA of 1934 pure infringement upon our 2nd Amendment, it's just stupid infringement.

And maybe even more so in these current times. I understand the reasoning behind the NFA, (clarification: I don't agree with it, in any way though.) that it was a knee jerk reaction to organized crime having gunfights in the city streets and such, but, isn't that what in some ways we are faced with every time there is another tragic mass shooting incident? A knee jerk reaction to the violence in the form of more gun control laws that are every bit as ineffective as the ones already on the books.

And none of these laws are actually targeting the criminals anyways. How many criminals use suppressors? How many use a short-barreled rifle or shotgun? How many are committing violent criminal acts with fully automatic firearms? How many are using "bumpstocks" to kill mass numbers of people?

It would be foolish or naive to think no criminal acts occur with firearms that are regulated by the NFA of 1934, but the numbers are extremely low and almost barely even register from what I have seen and read.

Nope, this is just infringement, plain and simple. How does a 1/4 of an inch make any firearm more dangerous? How does trying to classify a brace make a firearm more dangerous?

 

[m5215]

OK so a handgun/pistol with a pistol brace is OK as long as it does not have a vertical foregrip or rifle stock. I hope that is right as I am starting to get a headache over this.

 

[TX OMFS]

OK so a handgun/pistol with a pistol brace is OK as long as it does not have a vertical foregrip or rifle stock. I hope that is right as I am starting to get a headache over this.

Yes, that is correct. The ATF is saying some of the pistol braces are too close to being stocks instead of braces and therefore make a handgun they are installed on into an SBR. Look for pistol braces to be NFA or illegal items ASAP under Pres Biden.

 

[Sam Colt]

The NFA is not saying that at all. What they are saying is that one vendor has not submitted a number of models of braces for evaluation, and despite that is claiming that they are approved.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

We need to get rid of the NFA altogether. Has there been an uptick of crimes with sbrs and suppressors? I'm willing to bet that there hasn't. The ATF just makes their own rules and changes their minds as much as I change my underwear lol