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  • busykngt

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    Yeah.... I had a vague recollection of him doing some "Anti-" thing... couldn't recall exactly what it was. Stomping on "due process" must've been it! Didn't Trump advocate doing the same thing? (And the NRA?). I think Trump has backed off that position now... but not before he gave Diane Feinstein a big orgasm. Now I remember the televised meeting around that table! Old Feinstein just about came all over herself.
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    busykngt

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    That's the part about 'Red Flag' laws I just can't get beyond. The suspension (or elimination) of "due process". The whole premise behind successful implementation of 'Red Flag' laws are an anathema to our fundamental belief in and sense of justice in the law: innocent until proven guilty.

    ERPOs - Extreme Risk Protection Orders (i.e., Red Flag laws) simply cannot be written in such a way as to not insure their future abuse. This is the reason we have the 4th Amendment in the Bill Of Rights to the Constitution of the United States. It places limits on government power and authority in order to protect the citizens from tyranny.
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    No candidate is perfect. I didn’t like some of the stuff Crenshaw or Trump said, but in the end, you only have four real choices:

    Republican

    Democrat

    Other

    No vote

    only one really helps the 2A cause, albeit not nearly as much as I had hoped in 2016.

    but vote for one of the other three and watch those 2A freedoms melt like a dropped ice cream cone on a Texas summer sidewalk.
     

    OldFart81

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    Under proposed "Red Flag" laws, your gun rights can be taken away and your firearms confiscated based on accusations with no evidence, lodged without your knowledge, in legal proceedings where you are not represented. Said accusations could come from any family member or former relationship, and in some states they can also come from coworkers or acquaintances. After the police show up (in some instances by staging a "no knock" raid, such as a case in Massachusetts that cost a man his life) and confiscate your property, you would have an "opportunity" to hire an attorney at your expense and attempt to prove your innocence six months or so after the fact.

    So tell me...what's right about that? Shall we count the Constitutional protections these orders circumvent?
    That is why I'm voting for Crenshaw as he said to fix the Red Flag law the Tx legislature must ensure that not only the dangerous metal retards are disarmed, but that they are disarmed through a fair process that prevents non-dangerous individuals from inadvertently losing their Second Amendment rights as well.
     

    OldFart81

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    Everyone with a firearm is dangerous to the government. That's the whole point of 2a, and why infringing on it is a bad idea.

    There are already procedures for TEMPORARILY (i.e. for a day or two) removing firearms from a person in mental health crisis, but they get them back as soon as they can get to the PD to get them, unless they go through a VERY lengthy process to be committed to a mental health institution. (I.e. they go to court and are "tried" before a judge).

    There is no need to add ways to take firearms. There is already an effective method that provides for due process that doesn't infringe the people's right to bear arms.

    Red flag laws may sound like a good idea at face value, but they are dangerous to our freedom.

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    Crenshaw said to fix the Red Flag law the Texas legislature must ensure that not only the dangerous mental retards are disarmed, but that they are disarmed through a fair process that prevents non-dangerous individuals from inadvertently losing their Second Amendment rights as well. Seems he is on the gun owner's side.
     
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    kbaxter60

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    In Texas, as long as one ensures not just that dangerous metal retards are disarmed, but that they are disarmed through a fair process that prevents non-dangerous individuals from inadvertently losing their Second Amendment rights as well.
    Strange. You have been here a long while. Did you just decide to get up and troll?
     

    Younggun

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    I get riled up about the mental retards owning guns....Crenshaw wants to go after ONLY the mental retards and protect the average Joe's 2A rights and not have our guns taken away.

    Question 11f on the 4473 already covers that.


    Move along now.


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    Dougw1515

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    Check this out...

    Unfortunately that's been going on for a number of years. If I fill out "new patient" paperwork and run across that question, and I have, I ignore it. Thus far no push back for not responding to the question but some have received a lot of push back.
     

    busykngt

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    Yeah, I don't disagree about elections frequently being a choice of "the lesser of two evils". And overall Trump hasn't disappointed; however, his initial support for Red Flag and the Bump Stock thing were disappointing to me. I believe he sometimes takes a politically expedient path to subdue what he perceives as complaints from "the masses" without any real regard to considering what long term policy ramifications are. But I'll also say, I think he's learning and getting better about keeping this impulse under control - especially regarding 'gun control' issues. IOW, he's slowly "learned to dance with the one who brung ya".

    Back to Crenshaw. I would love for someone to provide some evidence that he too, has learned and has modified his position on Red Flag laws. I would love to be wrong about him, but as far as I know, he hasn't said anything to indicate discontinued support for Red Flag laws. And that's just wrong, no matter how ya slice it!
     

    Dougw1515

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    Yeah, I don't disagree about elections frequently being a choice of "the lesser of two evils". And overall Trump hasn't disappointed; however, his initial support for Red Flag and the Bump Stock thing were disappointing to me. I believe he sometimes takes a politically expedient path to subdue what he perceives as complaints from "the masses" without any real regard to considering what long term policy ramifications are. But I'll also say, I think he's learning and getting better about keeping this impulse under control - especially regarding 'gun control' issues. IOW, he's slowly "learned to dance with the one who brung ya".

    Back to Crenshaw. I would love for someone to provide some evidence that he too, has learned and has modified his position on Red Flag laws. I would love to be wrong about him, but as far as I know, he hasn't said anything to indicate discontinued support for Red Flag laws. And that's just wrong, no matter how ya slice it!
    Also in another thread but you ask for it here...

     

    kbaxter60

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    Unfortunately that's been going on for a number of years. If I fill out "new patient" paperwork and run across that question, and I have, I ignore it. Thus far no push back for not responding to the question but some have received a lot of push back.
    They should get push back every single time they ask. I would not ignore it next time, but write "You have no medical reason to ask this. You have no legal right to know." And then find another doc.

    ETA: my girls were mostly grown by the time they started this crap. For the youngest one, I told her if they ever asked that, just politely ask "What is the next question?" And then tell dad if they asked...
     
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    ZX9RCAM

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    I was asked some 15+ years ago when I was visiting a Dr.
     

    Dougw1515

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    They should get push back every single time they ask. I would not ignore it next time, but write "You have no medical reason to ask this. You have no legal right to know." And then find another doc.

    ETA: my girls were mostly grown by the time they started this crap. For the youngest one, I told her if they ever asked that, just politely ask "What is the next question?" And then tell dad if they asked...
    You'd be right! My "no response" contributed, no doubt, to the proliferation of this invasion of privacy. Won't happen again.
     
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