Net neutrality

[benenglish]

If this is something the Obama administration wants, then it must be bad, real bad, and I am against it.

Your instincts are spot-on.

I follow the principle that government cannot and will not make things "fair", they will only make it easier for the big corporations to stifle competition and rip everyone off worse than what they already are.

And with that, you've pretty much made every point I've been trying to make in this entire thread and done so using approximately 0.001% of the words I felt the need to uncontrollably spew.

Damn good post. It took you just 5 lines on my screen to hit all the high points. Why couldn't I have done that? I should hire you as my editor.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Your instincts are spot-on.

And with that, you've pretty much made every point I've been trying to make in this entire thread and done so using approximately 0.001% of the words I felt the need to uncontrollably spew.

Damn good post. It took you just 5 lines on my screen to hit all the high points. Why couldn't I have done that? I should hire you as my editor.

Thanks, I thought that's what you meant. I've really been trying to be concise as of late .

 

[Saltyag2010]

Wow.

You must really hate TWC!

If ISIS end game was to topple TWC I would help them do that or I would stay out of their way. Those guys fighting for Isis are probably better people.

 

[Big Dipper]

Look, I'm still trying to grasp all this, but what I can say is what I know for certain. If this is something the Obama administration wants, then it must be bad, real bad, and I am against it.

Not just BHO, but George Soros as well.

National Review

Today’s vote by a bitterly divided Federal Communications Commission that the Internet should be regulated as a public utility is the culmination of a decade-long battle by the Left. Using money from George Soros and liberal foundations that totaled at least $196 million, radical activists finally succeeded in ramming through “net neutrality,” or the idea that all data should be transmitted equally over the Internet. The final push involved unprecedented political pressure exerted by the Obama White House on FCC chairman Tom Wheeler, head of an ostensibly independent regulatory body.

“Net neutrality’s goal is to empower the federal government to ration and apportion Internet bandwidth as it sees fit, and to thereby control the Internet’s content,” says Phil Kerpen, an anti-net-neutrality activist from the group American Commitment.

The courts have previously ruled the FCC’s efforts to impose “net neutrality” out of bounds, so the battle isn’t over. But for now, the FCC has granted itself enormous power to micromanage the largely unrestrained Internet.

And Soros has never shown himself to be a defender of freedom.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

If believed in government regulation and were a true do gooder the law would have been written completely different. They would have required anyone creating the rules/standards to be industry leading engineers by requiring certain standards for the individual leaders. They would also have required quarterly investment and ethics reviews of said individuals.

As it is, the guys w the money are going to use this as a weapon against competition.

 

[benenglish]

Mea culpa.

Apologies to all.

Much of what I've written in this thread is simply wrong because it's based on outdated knowledge of the issue and the proposals that were in play the last time I was deeply involved - a couple of years ago.

Things changed and I didn't keep up.

The FCC vote was a mixed bag, to be sure, but my bloviating was off base in so many ways, I can't go back and correct them all without making an even bigger mess.

This is what I get for committing my knowledge to the ether without checking to see if anything new has come along. While I stand by the general principles I've stated, my comments on the current situation should be ignored as ill-informed ranting.

Again, my apologies to all.

 

[Younggun]

TimeWarner just dropped off a bag of money at Bens house.

 

[benenglish]

Considering how terrible I feel right now about making such a fool of myself in public, it would have had to be a big bag of money. Alas, no such luck.

 

[Vaquero]

Considering how terrible I feel right now about making such a fool of myself in public, it would have had to be a big bag of money. Alas, no such luck.

You're ok Ben.
Being wrong is one thing.
Insisting you aren't is quite another.

 

[Younggun]

Considering how terrible I feel right now about making such a fool of myself in public, it would have had to be a big bag of money. Alas, no such luck.

I was just kiddin.


No worries Ben, first time for everything. I didn't understand most of it anyways except for the video link.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Considering how terrible I feel right now about making such a fool of myself in public, it would have had to be a big bag of money. Alas, no such luck.

Ha, just claim your arguments were "combat accurate" and you'll be good!

 

[Younggun]

Ha, just claim your arguments were "combat accurate" and you'll be good!

FTW!

 

[Davetex]

Speaking on WMAL this morning former US Atty and high powered DC lawyer Joe DiGenova said the FCC Net Neutrality rules will never come to be since they will never survive a court challenge. He added that "standing will never be an issue."

 

[TheDan]

(BTW - Are there any heavy-duty telecomm specialists on here who can tell us how this will impact peering agreements? As I understand it, it's only a gentleman's agreement among peers that keeps that whole system from going to hell, an agreement that could fall apart over opportunities to extort each other if there's money to be made. I could be wrong and I hope someone can lay it all out for me. Otherwise, I'll be researching on my own.)

I'm not sure how say VZ and ATT peer, but for medium sized ISPs that lease lines from them that sort of thing is buried in the contracts along with lease agreements, SLAs and that stuff. Little ISPs have to buy "BGP" as a service. It's all managed contractually and I'm not a lawyer or a sales guy.

One thing I wonder about is how this effects private networks. There's quite a bit of traffic out there that doesn't technically transverse "the internets", but does go over the same infrastructure.