M-14: America's Worst and Shortest Used Service Rifle-What went wrong by Forgotten Weapons

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  • Big Green

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    How are those Checkmate 25 round mags working out?

    I have two of the chinese copies made by Polytech. One in .308 and one in 7.62x51mm. I bought the first when It looked like I would lose the online auction and then I won. I wanted one for a match build by Warbirds because it has a harder receiver and fitted with a GI bolt was a good starting point.
    No problems. Anything bigger seemed to only be unreliable garbage per the interwebs, so I went with these. Maybe one day I’ll get a drum for it.
     

    Big Green

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    Gordo

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    Never shot an M14, but enjoyed my M1A immensely.
    Loved to rapid fire it at the 100 yard line at Dietz range, and keep all holes on target.
    Probably would get kicked out today, due to their NAZI officers.
     

    jedwil

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    I trained all thru basic and ait with an M14 in 67 at Fort Ord.

    Then one day while shooting for record, the charging handle simply fell off...

    An on sight armorer 'fixed it, but along with the charging handle falling off, it was no longer zeroed...

    At the range, I had always scored 'expert', all thru basic, but after the 'charging handle' incident, I only rated (barely) as a 'marksmen'...shooting an un-zeroed rifle will do that.

    I'm still pissed about that.

    To be fair, the rifle I was issued had been in the hands of many trainees previously to my using it, so there's that...
    The M14 I was issued in BCT had a bent barrel. Quite en embarrassing situation for me at the range the first 2 days until our Battalion Commander examined it and said the barrel was bent. After that, each morning I went to guys on KP and got their weapons card and used their rifle for training.
     

    HD-Ghost

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    The short life-span of the M-14 in 'Nam had nothing to do with its ability.
    If it is such a bad rifle, why has it been serving in the sand pit for the last 25 years?
    Maybe if they had one of these in the bush.........

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    Gordo

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    My goal, with my endless mods to my AR10, is to get it to shoot as nice as my M1A did.
    Hoping that converting it to a piston driven, with a much lighter BCA, and buffer will help.
    I should have sold the damn thing back in '08, and just bought another M1A.

    Oh, and Ian has a lot good info, but can be a little bitch at times, with his bias bull s#it.
     

    Pistol Pete

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    Fired expert with the M14 in basic, 1966. Took the M16 to Vietnam. The M16 is a better rifle for a grunt humping all day plus he can carry more ammo cause it's lighter. The new civilian AR15s are super accurate as a rule. The M14 was an improved M1, 20 round box magazine. Could fire full auto but was uncontrollable.
     

    Eli

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    I could defend the M14 a lot better before getting my hands on a Beretta BM59! As I recall, the M14's failure in combat was largely related to two things: failure of the ridiculous flash hider (usually bent and subsequent bullet strikes) and failure of the (unnecessary) bolt roller - but the rifle was also useless on full-auto.
    Not to mention, the AR-10 was already available, and had it not been intentionally sandbagged in the trials likely would've been adopted as it was a superior choice.
    The Italians, with a near-zero-dollar (Lira?) budget, converted the M1 Garand into a modern, select-fire, 7.62 NATO battle rifle that actually worked and was possibly more reliable than the parent Garand. The BM59 has the Garand's 'straight-line' stock, and an innovative 'tri-compensator' that performs remarkably well at both suppressing flash and controlling recoil; it isn't hard to do 'mag dumps' with a BM59 and full-load NATO ammunition!

    Eli
     
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