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  • nobleb

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    I currently have a LTC and just learned that I am LEOSA qualified. However, LEOSA requires that I range qualify to TCOLE standards (whatever, all that means). Anyway, I live in the DFW area .. does anyone know of anywhere that is familiar with LEOSA and can administer the range qualification?

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    Glenn B

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    How are you LEOSA eligible? With whom you need to qualify at a range - depends in part on what agency made you eligible in the first place. If your agency or department is willing to qualify you for LEOSA, you do not need to qualify by a state approved program. For instance, if you were a federal agent and are retired and your previous agency is willing to qualify you at the range for LEOSA purposes - go for it and forget qualifying by way of a TCOLE standards. Most federal agencies though will probably not qualify their retirees at the range for LEOSA. Same thing goes for state & local law enforcement but I do not know how that works in TX. I do know that TX requires you to pay the instructor and then to pay TX for the qualification card; my bet is if someone had a lawyer in the family (too expensive otherwise) he or she could fight that because the state should not be charging anything for an ID card; instead the instructor should be able to make one and give it to you upon completion of the range quals all inclusive under the range qualification fee. Heck, even in the socialist rebooblik of NY they allow that. What little knowlede I have comes from me qualiffying each year for the past 10 years for LEOSA and because I ran all aspects (except being the boss of course) of the LEOSA program for Homeland Security Investigations when LEOSA first started and from my taking a class about it given by a federal judge affgiliated with Sheepdog Academy but running the program and that class were quite awhile ago.

    Edited to add: As for qualifying under TCOLE standards, as it was explained to me by someone at TCOLE, it means that any firearms instructor who is qualified by TCOLE to give instruction for a TX LTC or to qualify LE officers can qualify you at the range. Your best bet, to see what they require and to get it right, is to contact TCOLE directly.
     
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    nobleb

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    I am a retired Army Counterintelligence Agent (19 years). They recently amended the Act to include us as federal law enforcement.
    My understanding (so far) is that the Army issues my ID, but I need to qualify yearly on the range.
     

    nobleb

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    You are asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is why am I carrying under LTC when I could carry under LEOSA.
    Well, simple answer .. I have had my LTC since moving back to Texas a few years ago, but I learned a few days ago that I qualified for LEOSA ))
     

    Glenn B

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    You are asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is why am I carrying under LTC when I could carry under LEOSA.
    That could be because LEOSA is not a carry permit, LEOSA is an affirmative defense. It also could be because if you are carrying by virtue of LEOSA, you cannot come within 1,000 feet of a gun free school zone (under federal law) unless you are also carrying under a license issued by the state and the state must have run criminal history checks on you to be eligible to carry within a school zone. Maybe you can walk through much of west TX without coming within 1,000 feet of a school zone but try it anywhere near a decent sized city and there would be a good chance of you getting arrested for violating federal law by some liberal officer.

    There is no remedy under LEOSA for someone who is carrying under LEOSA in a gun free school zone. See this: https://www.bluesheepdog.com/leosa-school-grounds/ (that was the first site that came up when I searched "carrying under leosa school zones")
     

    Sasquatch

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    Unless qualifying under LEOSA is especially appealing to you for unstated reasons, why bother if you have a Texas LTC?

    Does LEOSA have benefits exceeding a Texas LTC?

    If not, it sounds like an annual PITA...

    One benefit for LEOSA people is carrying across state borders.
     
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