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  • Dougw1515

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    Both of the ones I mentioned are FFP. Any others reasons not to consider them?
    I really don't recall why I dropped Trijicon from my list. I do know in the beginning they were at the top of my list and I honestly thought that is what I would end up buying. My decision process revolved around three things. Rifle - optics - shooter/owner. I wanted a good rifle, I got a LaRue. I did not want the capabilities of the rifle to be limited my choice in optics. I bought the Vortex Razor HD Gen III. I wanted the shooter/owner the be the weak point of these three points. I succeeded in that. The owner can be made better with dedication and practice. I do not know what shooting conditions I may encounter whatever it is I want the equipment to not be the reason I could not make that shot.

    If someone thinks the glass is as good in a $600.00 optics as it is in a $2,000.00 optics - they are only fooling themselves. Clarity, brightness, sufficent illumination of the reticle for bright daylight condition there are a multitude of reasons why one optics cost more than 3 times as much as a low cost optic. granularity of elevation/windage adjustments. If one is happy with a low dollar optics I'm happy for them. But they should not fool themselves into thinking 600=2,000 because it does not!
     

    cycleguy2300

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    alright y'all... I am finally going to "pull the trigger" on upgrading my AR's optic from an eotech to an LPVO. I would really like to keep things under 2K and I know I will be relatively happy with any of them but if spending on the high end I want it to be perfect.

    A few of my considerations... I love the NightForce NX8 reticle (I am a huge fan of the horseshoe or circle style center rather than just a dot in crosshairs) but the eyebox/field of view makes me want to go a different direction. Vortex razor HD Gen 3 is perfection but a little too "busy" with the extras for wind and range going on in the reticle for my type of usage and would 100% go with the razor HD gen 2 lpvo if it can the same center as the gen 3 but rather its just the dot and crosshairs (their eyebox/field of view seems to be AMAZING). I do like the PA ACSS reticle and also considering the Sig tango6T but not a whole lot of reviews on it yet. with the consideration of a more horseshoe or circular center reticle over just a dot like the NF or Vertex Gen 3 and a good field of view/eyebox, what would y'all recommend? any and all opinions/advice are welcome!
    US OPTICS has a 1-6(or 8?) That is a "simple cross hair" reticle and within your budget.

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    smittyb

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    alright y'all... I am finally going to "pull the trigger" on upgrading my AR's optic from an eotech to an LPVO. I would really like to keep things under 2K and I know I will be relatively happy with any of them but if spending on the high end I want it to be perfect.

    A few of my considerations... I love the NightForce NX8 reticle (I am a huge fan of the horseshoe or circle style center rather than just a dot in crosshairs) but the eyebox/field of view makes me want to go a different direction. Vortex razor HD Gen 3 is perfection but a little too "busy" with the extras for wind and range going on in the reticle for my type of usage and would 100% go with the razor HD gen 2 lpvo if it can the same center as the gen 3 but rather its just the dot and crosshairs (their eyebox/field of view seems to be AMAZING). I do like the PA ACSS reticle and also considering the Sig tango6T but not a whole lot of reviews on it yet. with the consideration of a more horseshoe or circular center reticle over just a dot like the NF or Vertex Gen 3 and a good field of view/eyebox, what would y'all recommend? any and all opinions/advice are welcome!
    I see I’m a little late jumping into this thread, but here goes. I assume from the OP you are looking at at least a 1-8.
    This narrows the field, as the problem with a lot of these optics, as you have mentioned, is the eye box.
    Any Vortex less than a Razor is not great. Strike Eagle is absolute trash.
    PA SLX is shit. The platinum is actually not bad, and you get the ACSS.
    I have never used the Kahles, but they consistently get great reviews.
    The ATACR is great glass with a great reticle, but damn $3K for a 8x!
    I have an IOR Valdada 1-10 that, with its 26mm objective, has the greatest eye box I’ve ever seen on a 10x. My only complaint with it is I wish the dot was just a little bigger on 1x.
     
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    smittyb

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    alright y'all... I am finally going to "pull the trigger" on upgrading my AR's optic from an eotech to an LPVO. I would really like to keep things under 2K and I know I will be relatively happy with any of them but if spending on the high end I want it to be perfect.

    A few of my considerations... I love the NightForce NX8 reticle (I am a huge fan of the horseshoe or circle style center rather than just a dot in crosshairs) but the eyebox/field of view makes me want to go a different direction. Vortex razor HD Gen 3 is perfection but a little too "busy" with the extras for wind and range going on in the reticle for my type of usage and would 100% go with the razor HD gen 2 lpvo if it can the same center as the gen 3 but rather its just the dot and crosshairs (their eyebox/field of view seems to be AMAZING). I do like the PA ACSS reticle and also considering the Sig tango6T but not a whole lot of reviews on it yet. with the consideration of a more horseshoe or circular center reticle over just a dot like the NF or Vertex Gen 3 and a good field of view/eyebox, what would y'all recommend? any and all opinions/advice are welcome!
    There are certainly some outstanding LPVO’s for over $1000, but personally I think you can meet 95% of all needs with a sub $600 optic. I think the price around $500-$700 is the spot where you really get the best value.

    My suggestions include the Vortex Viper 1-4 (this is my first LPVO and has been flawless for several years):

    Amazon product ASIN B08JHSFRBH
    My most recent purchase is this Burris, and I really like it:


    Leupold scopes are GTG as well.

    I understand that you get what you pay for, but I have a hard time understanding why guys who are happy with a $35K truck (versus a $90K truck) think they need the top shelf scope.
    I own 2 RT-6 and a RT-8, and FOR THE MONEY, they simply can’t be beat. Great values.
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    If someone thinks the glass is as good in a $600.00 optics as it is in a $2,000.00 optics - they are only fooling themselves. Clarity, brightness, sufficent illumination of the reticle for bright daylight condition there are a multitude of reasons why one optics cost more than 3 times as much as a low cost optic. granularity of elevation/windage adjustments. If one is happy with a low dollar optics I'm happy for them. But they should not fool themselves into thinking 600=2,000 because it does not!

    I’ll assume your referring to me here. Guess either I wasn’t clear or you didn’t read what I wrote.

    I never said a $600 optic was as good as a $1000+ optic. My point was most shooters will get by fine with something less than top of the line.

    But whatever...buy the glass you think you need. Your money.
     

    andre3k

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    I own 2 RT-6 and a RT-8, and FOR THE MONEY, they simply can’t be beat. Great values.
    I think a lot of people are sleeping on Burris. I run an RT-6 on my 3 gun rifle and it has made 2 years of being thrown into dump barrels. The reticle isn't quite daytime bright, but none are in that price range. It hasn't held me back at this point.

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    W_kemp

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    There are certainly some outstanding LPVO’s for over $1000, but personally I think you can meet 95% of all needs with a sub $600 optic. I think the price around $500-$700 is the spot where you really get the best value.

    My suggestions include the Vortex Viper 1-4 (this is my first LPVO and has been flawless for several years):

    Amazon product ASIN B08JHSFRBH
    My most recent purchase is this Burris, and I really like it:


    Leupold scopes are GTG as well.

    I understand that you get what you pay for, but I have a hard time understanding why guys who are happy with a $35K truck (versus a $90K truck) think they need the top shelf scope.
    I actually love the reticle on the vortex striker eagle 1-8 and much cheaper, the biggest difference really is glass quality and durability from my understanding and if you've ever used or just looked through a top end scope the difference is pretty significant. still in consideration on the lower end mid range optics though!
     

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    I actually love the reticle on the vortex striker eagle 1-8 and much cheaper, the biggest difference really is glass quality and durability from my understanding and if you've ever used or just looked through a top end scope the difference is pretty significant. still in consideration on the lower end mid range optics though!
    Don’t do it. The eye box is terrible!!
    Burris RT-6 blows it out of the water for same price.
     

    W_kemp

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    Don’t do it. The eye box is terrible!!
    Burris RT-6 blows it out of the water for same price.
    I just like the reticle definitely not going with that option though, If I do go cheaper I may consider the Trijicon Credo FFP 1-8 seems fairly good from what I am seeing looking into it!
     

    W_kemp

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    Let's not gloss over this. Leupold is my go to for scopes. Anything else has to offer a better value, which doesn't mean cheaper.
    I love the leupold 1-6 and 1-8... the price is just so damn high. I don't think Leupold has ever made a bad optic haha
     

    smittyb

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    The Leupolds are also not true 1 power. Most are around 1.2x, some are 1.5x
    To some it doesn’t matter. Personally, if I’m paying the big money for a 1-8, I want a true 1x for both eyes open red dot speed.
     

    CyberWolf

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    The Leupolds are also not true 1 power. Most are around 1.2x, some are 1.5x
    To some it doesn’t matter. Personally, if I’m paying the big money for a 1-8, I want a true 1x for both eyes open red dot speed.
    That's something I really like about the Razor Gen2-E 1-6 - almost perfect 1x...I leave the illumination on all the time (battery change every 6 months), and with only the dot lit up, it's just as fast as an RDS - (even with the ffp reticle, which is preferable for anything out a bit further)
     

    W_kemp

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    alright I have narrowed it down to 4 options... higher price range is vortex Gen 3 and leupold Mk6... lower price range is PA plx 1-8 and trijicon Credo 1-8..
     

    cycleguy2300

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    alright I have narrowed it down to 4 options... higher price range is vortex Gen 3 and leupold Mk6... lower price range is PA plx 1-8 and trijicon Credo 1-8..
    With those choices it's six one way, half-a-dozen the other. You really can't go wrong. If I had those sitting on a table, I'd go for the Vortex...

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    W_kemp

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    With those choices it's six one way, half-a-dozen the other. You really can't go wrong. If I had those sitting on a table, I'd go for the Vortex...

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    If I hear back from my email i sent to BDU to see if they are carrying the vortex Gen 3 that they do have it I think that is my likley direction
     

    W_kemp

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    I’d pick the Razor or PLX, depending on price point
    I think the only thing holding me back from plx is the picture on 1x, if they just added crosshairs outside of the reticle to draw the eye in I feel like it would be perfect
     
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