Looks like I kicked type 2 diabetes in the balls

[Shady]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

 

[perfor8]

Can you link the website?

 

[Darkpriest667]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

Dude, every doctor in the world will tell you diet and exercise can not only prevent type 2 diabetes but can make it so manageable it's like you don't have it. your GP sucked. I usually go to DOs not MDs they're much more likely to give you suggestions on changing your lifestyle than pumping you full of medications.


I'm on a similar (but not totally) diet and I've lost 6 pounds in a month. I was 149 and now I am 143. My goal weight is 135. (I'm 5'4)

 

[Dawico]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

That's great.

My dad and brother have both lost weight doing a "cheat Keto" as I call it. Mainly just better eating decisions based on the Keto diet but not going all in.

Diabetes is not a concern in our family but being fatasses is.

Always nice to hear of others taking control.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Yeah, I've been "pre diabetic" for many years, and then my A1c hit 11 back in 2016.
Dr. said to cut back on carbs, or I'd be on insulin.
I put myself on a "cheat keto" diet, around 120 carbs/day, and in 6 months my A1c was 6.9.
Still on the diet 3 years later.
Last blood work showed 6.4, and my Dr. was happy.
Still too high, but....

 

[BillFairbanks]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

Good for you.

We lost both my Mom and my Father in Law to diabetes before they turned 70. They took the drugs the doctors prescribed and my Mom followed the low fat diets they used to recommend.

A Ketonic diet works great for me. I’ve lost 50+ pounds with it. I’ve put it back on, usually during stressful times, but I’m back on the wagon and down 15 lbs since Thanksgiving.


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[Texasjack]

Having managed T2 for 15+ years, I can tell you that it's very important to get exercise and maintain a good diet. You don't have to stop eating - or even stop eating things you like - but you have to watch the amount of carbs in each meal. People who try to manage T2 with drugs alone will find nothing but frustration and failure.

The American Diabetes Association has a great website and I would highly recommend that anyone diagnosed with diabetes, or anyone who has a family member diagnosed, get on the ADA forum appropriate for your type of diabetes and see what people who actually have the disease and are actively - and often successfully - managing the disease have to say. It used to be that people were only diagnosed after they started going blind, or their kidneys started to fail. Now blood tests can catch it early and give you a fighting chance. Also, portable blood testing allows the patient to actively measure what's going on and make adjustments.

Keep in mind that T2 is progressive. You can't stop it from getting worse, but you can stretch out how long it takes to get worse by managing the disease. Don't wait until your body is so badly damaged that it's too late to do anything. When you are diagnosed, take action. One of the most surprising things is that nearly everybody who really does manage the disease will tell you that in about 6 months they start feeling far, far better than they did when it wasn't under control.

A word of warning: Stay away from any diet, book, or program that says they can "CURE" diabetes. That's impossible without altering your DNA. They are lying to you and taking advantage of you. You CAN manage the disease; you can't cure it (at least yet.)

In my case, I was managing T2 pretty well, but got pancreatic cancer. I survived, but now I am insulin dependent and T2, which is a genuine PITA.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I wonder if it's strange that I didn't feel any worse with an A1c of 11, than I do now?

 

[Darkpriest667]

Having managed T2 for 15+ years, I can tell you that it's very important to get exercise and maintain a good diet. You don't have to stop eating - or even stop eating things you like - but you have to watch the amount of carbs in each meal. People who try to manage T2 with drugs alone will find nothing but frustration and failure.

The American Diabetes Association has a great website and I would highly recommend that anyone diagnosed with diabetes, or anyone who has a family member diagnosed, get on the ADA forum appropriate for your type of diabetes and see what people who actually have the disease and are actively - and often successfully - managing the disease have to say. It used to be that people were only diagnosed after they started going blind, or their kidneys started to fail. Now blood tests can catch it early and give you a fighting chance. Also, portable blood testing allows the patient to actively measure what's going on and make adjustments.

Keep in mind that T2 is progressive. You can't stop it from getting worse, but you can stretch out how long it takes to get worse by managing the disease. Don't wait until your body is so badly damaged that it's too late to do anything. When you are diagnosed, take action. One of the most surprising things is that nearly everybody who really does manage the disease will tell you that in about 6 months they start feeling far, far better than they did when it wasn't under control.

A word of warning: Stay away from any diet, book, or program that says they can "CURE" diabetes. That's impossible without altering your DNA. They are lying to you and taking advantage of you. You CAN manage the disease; you can't cure it (at least yet.)

In my case, I was managing T2 pretty well, but got pancreatic cancer. I survived, but now I am insulin dependent and T2, which is a genuine PITA.

Holy crap you survived pancreatic cancer? How early did they catch it?

 

[Shady]

as far as feeling different.

The most notable is no more tingling in my feet and it was a constant feeling of pins and needles you get when your foot falls a sleep just mild.

Less water retention

Not having to pee every hour even at night.

I did not notice the clarity or energy boost that lots of people claim. Might be I am so full of clarity and energy that even a huge boost was not noticeable.


As far as recommendations for web pages you need to search them out and ya there are 10 billion of them digest all you can and then make your own calls on what to do for your Health.

I was just pointing out there are options other than take this pill and call me in the morning.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Diet, weight loss exercise and plenty of water. I was almost 200 lbs on metformin with high blood pressure finally came to my senses and lost 30 lbs.

 

[Texasjack]

Holy crap you survived pancreatic cancer? How early did they catch it?

Well, they got it before it spread to the liver. About the size of a tennis ball - hurt like hell. Doctors thought it was gall bladder problems, but the young woman who was supposed to do an ultrasound was on her first day "solo" and found the tumor while trying to look at the gall bladder. Weird luck. Serious surgery, removed a couple of organs, then chemo for months. I have a cousin who survived it as well. We are, apparently, hard to kill - much like roaches.

I know 3 survivors, not counting Ruth Bader Ginsburg who may or may not actually be alive. It does not have a very good survival rate.

 

[Darkpriest667]

Well, they got it before it spread to the liver. About the size of a tennis ball - hurt like hell. Doctors thought it was gall bladder problems, but the young woman who was supposed to do an ultrasound was on her first day "solo" and found the tumor while trying to look at the gall bladder. Weird luck. Serious surgery, removed a couple of organs, then chemo for months. I have a cousin who survived it as well. We are, apparently, hard to kill - much like roaches.

I know 3 survivors, not counting Ruth Bader Ginsburg who may or may not actually be alive. It does not have a very good survival rate.

I'm aware of the survival rates. I've always been scared of pancreatic cancer because of my former smoking. I've also been scared of brain cancer. Those and ALS have always been the diseases that terrified me most.

 

[benenglish]

This video pre-dates a lot of public awareness of the issues it discusses. It's still one of the best summaries I've heard. I re-watch it occasionally, especially when I'm screwing up my diet.

Yes, it's almost 20 minutes and, yes, YMMV definitely applies. But it's a great summary that hits on many of the points already made in this thread. I give it my highest recommendation.

 

[karlac]

The last few minutes is the most telling indictment of Western civilization's lies and deceit when it comes to what is touted, and even more sadly, taught, as a species appropriate diet.

 

[BillFairbanks]

This is the original low carb book

I won money in a work weight loss contest a few years ago. I just followed a keto diet but when people asked me how I did it I credited The Drinking Man’s Diet


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[BillFairbanks]

This video pre-dates a lot of public awareness of the issues it discusses. It's still one of the best summaries I've heard. I re-watch it occasionally, especially when I'm screwing up my diet.

Yes, it's almost 20 minutes and, yes, YMMV definitely applies. But it's a great summary that hits on many of the points already made in this thread. I give it my highest recommendation.

Good video

As someone who’s lost family to diabetes this really angers me. They followed their doctors advice and it killed them


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[Shady]

I am not sure its fair to blame the Dr's <well it comes down to it is they could have left the office they were working at>.

It comes down to bean counters running the office.

They need a steady flow of traffic

If they tell you take this pill and come back in 4 months for the rest of your life they fill that need and also get great perks from drug companies.

If they tell you eat this way and you might be able to avoid the consequences of your old bad habits. Ummm Well that kind of drives off the constant flow of come back in 4 months traffic to come back 1 time a year and no vacations from drug companies.

 

[BillFairbanks]

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20060616/do-low-carb-diets-help-diabetes

I lol’d at the quote from the ADA in this. They basically admit that low carb diets work but are just “too hard”. I’m sure the massive amount of money the drug makers make has nothing to do with it.


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[dsgrey]

I've been T2 for 12 years and know some people who have reversed their diagnosis. Oddly enough, not many and those were usually obese individuals originally. I have a BMI of 22 and watch my carbs but it's not always reversible as some say. A1c at 6.2 but only through medication.