Liquor Store Sign

[ZX9RCAM]

I was too ignorant to find anything about it in the trespass laws posted.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I was too ignorant to find anything about it in the trespass laws posted.

What the data does tell us is that UCW in it’s variety of flavors (prohibited weapon/prohibited place/prohibited person) is what’s going to get an arrest or conviction. Keeping that in mind, cops don’t usually hangout at private property looking for probable cause, much of the back and forth here is about opinions and not data. It’s cute and I love these guys, but this is what all that amounts to.

According to DPS data, a conviction for 30.05* or 30.06 isn’t on record and only a handful for 30.07. The .07 convictions were after oral notice given (by the cop that got called) and 05 hasn’t been around long enough to get meaningful data.

For all practical purposes, signs are fairly worthless if you’re not an asshole.

Crime Records Reports and Statistical Information | Department of Public Safety

www.dps.texas.gov

 

[ZX9RCAM]

05/06/07 signs are way different than "no guns allowed" signs like Axxe said, and I asked about.

 

[toddnjoyce]

05/06/07 signs are way different than "no guns allowed" signs like Axxe said, and I asked about.

Other than being attached to the Texas Penal Code, they (.05/.06/.07 signs) in practice are no different than a gun buster icon. I could dig thru the code for reasons why, but for most situations the state has said trespassing (which is what all this boils down to) requires oral notice to leave.

Now, if everyone is being searched (even with as little as a magnetometer) as a condition of entry, the rules change.

 

[Axxe55]

This is the issue under discussion; if there was no invitation in, then most would say that it does.

It is after the owner had invited the public to enter, even advertised it; then how much weight does it still carry”.

A “conflict of rights”.

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THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF RIGHTS OTHER THAN IN YOUR NAIVE AND DELUDED MIND PRIVATE PROPERTY STILL BELONGS TO THE PROPERTY IN YOUR WAY OF THINKING OWNERIN YOUR WAY OF THINKING IF YOU POST A NO SMOKING SIGNAT YOUR FRONT DOOR DOES THAT MEAN ANYONE CAN WALKINTO YOUR HOME AND LIGHT UP A CIGAR WITHOUT ANY CONQUENCES? BECUASE A PERSON COULD ARGUE THE SIGN DOESN'T CARRY THE WEIGHT OF THE LAW SO THERFOR CAN BE IGNORED!THE PROPERTY OWN CAN AT ANY TIME DECIDE WHAT THE DEEM TO BE TRESPASSINGI'LL RVEN SUSPECT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THE LAW IS GOING TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OOWNER NOT THE GUEST WHOIGNOREDA SIGN!

 

[rotor]

Does a "No guns allowed" sign on private property carry weight?

According to Texas Lawshield yes, it is an alternate to the wording of 30.05. No effect on Ltc.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

According to Texas Lawshield yes, it is an alternate to the wording of 30.05. No effect on Ltc.

Thanks.

 

[Eastexasrick]

For all practical purposes, signs are fairly worthless if you’re not an asshole.

I agree and herein lies the rub. The obverse applies to a preponderance of the membership, causing said signage to be the opposite of fairly worthless, present company excluded.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I agree and herein lies the rub. The obverse applies to a preponderance of the membership, causing said signage to be the opposite of fairly worthless, present company excluded.

I won’t give that a like, but I will say we’re on a downhill slide on the quality of members recently.