Liquor Store Sign

[Bozz10mm]

Well it took y'all long enough to notice it.

 

[Renegade]

Despite moving to Texas, the dallas area and even fort worth has a decent amount of no guns allowed signs. Kinda surprised to say the least.

Open Carry Texas assholes phucked things up for the rest of us.

 

[Chewbacca7685]

Concealed means concealed.


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[General Zod]

Despite moving to Texas, the dallas area and even fort worth has a decent amount of no guns allowed signs. Kinda surprised to say the least.

A lot of them are invalid, and even more of them only ban open carry. I do my best not to spend much time in Dallas, but I've only run into a few places that prohibit concealed carry with valid signage. Sadly, the Perot Museum was one.

 

[630skirmish]

A lot of them are invalid, and even more of them only ban open carry. I do my best not to spend much time in Dallas, but I've only run into a few places that prohibit concealed carry with valid signage. Sadly, the Perot Museum was one.

What makes them invalid against conceal carry?


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[General Zod]

What makes them invalid against conceal carry?


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Usually either lack of correct wording or letters way smaller than 1' tall. Often times it's just a "gunbuster" sign with vague mention of 30.06. Often times printed on an inkjet printer on 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Or do you mean what makes signs that ban open carry not ban concealed? 30.06 signs ban concealed carry. A separate 30.07 sign is required to ban open carry. They are not interchangeable.

 

[jordanmills]

Usually either lack of correct wording or letters way smaller than 1' tall. Often times it's just a "gunbuster" sign with vague mention of 30.06. Often times printed on an inkjet printer on 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Or do you mean what makes signs that ban open carry not ban concealed? 30.06 signs ban concealed carry. A separate 30.07 sign is required to ban open carry. They are not interchangeable.

Just make sure that neither of them applies to you.

 

[General Zod]

Just make sure that neither of them applies to you.

While I'm willing to make sure I'm not in violation of any, making sure none apply to me would mean not carrying. That's a bridge too far.

 

[jordanmills]

While I'm willing to make sure I'm not in violation of any, making sure none apply to me would mean not carrying. That's a bridge too far.

Incorrect. They do not apply to volunteer emergency services personnel.

 

[General Zod]

Incorrect. They do not apply to volunteer emergency services personnel.

Well now. I never realized that. Stand back, folks, the emergency blacksmith is here.

 

[majormadmax]

Well now. I never realized that. Stand back, folks, the emergency blacksmith is here.

Per Todd, for 30.06 and 30.07 there is a defense to prosecution for voluntary emergency services personnel without regard to being engaged. This means all you have to do is present the defense and the state then has to prove otherwise. Given the language in 46.01, that’s extremely difficult to do.

Separately, 46.15 if you are a volunteer and you are engaged in providing emergency services then places like schools, amusement parks, race tracks are no longer off limits to you. The example would be active shooter at the local ISD high school. So long as you are actively engaged to “provide services for the benefit of the general public during emergency situations” you can be armed inside any of those state prohibited places and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans, because that no longer applies to you.

Also, under the Texas Health and Safety Code 161.0001 para 1-a, a "First responder" means:

(A) any federal, state, local, or private personnel who may respond to a disaster, including:

(i) public health and public safety personnel;
(ii) commissioned law enforcement personnel;
(iii) fire protection personnel, including volunteer firefighters;
(iv) emergency medical services personnel, including hospital emergency facility staff;
(v) a member of the National Guard;
(vi) a member of the Texas State Guard; or
(vii) any other worker who responds to a disaster in the worker's scope of employment

 

[toddnjoyce]

Per Todd, for 30.06 and 30.07 there is a defense to prosecution for voluntary emergency services personnel without regard to being engaged…

TOC 30.06

(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the license holder is volunteer emergency services personnel, as defined by Section 46.01.

TPC30.07

(g) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the license holder is volunteer emergency services personnel, as defined by Section 46.01.

TPC 46.01

(18) "Volunteer emergency services personnel" includes a volunteer firefighter, an emergency medical services volunteer as defined by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code, and any individual who, as a volunteer, provides services for the benefit of the general public during emergency situations. The term does not include a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer, as those terms are defined by Section 1701.001, Occupations Code, who is performing law enforcement duties.

 

[Vaquero]

Per Todd, for 30.06 and 30.07 there is a defense to prosecution for voluntary emergency services personnel without regard to being engaged. This means all you have to do is present the defense and the state then has to prove otherwise. Given the language in 46.01, that’s extremely difficult to do.

Separately, 46.15 if you are a volunteer and you are engaged in providing emergency services then places like schools, amusement parks, race tracks are no longer off limits to you. The example would be active shooter at the local ISD high school. So long as you are actively engaged to “provide services for the benefit of the general public during emergency situations” you can be armed inside any of those state prohibited places and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans, because that no longer applies to you.

Also, under the Texas Health and Safety Code 161.0001 para 1-a, a "First responder" means:

(A) any federal, state, local, or private personnel who may respond to a disaster, including:

(i) public health and public safety personnel;
(ii) commissioned law enforcement personnel;
(iii) fire protection personnel, including volunteer firefighters;
(iv) emergency medical services personnel, including hospital emergency facility staff;
(v) a member of the National Guard;
(vi) a member of the Texas State Guard; or
(vii) any other worker who responds to a disaster in the worker's scope of employment

(vii) for the last 42 years. But never acknowledged or given privilege.
I still wouldn't accept it.
I took a job long ago and I got paid for my troubles.
I missed family highlights and lows.

I'm not going to push the issue.
I'm not above the guy next to me on the streets.

 

[WAA]

Also, never forget if you are needing “a defense to prosecution,” you’ve been charged, you are being prosecuted, and you are now defending yourself.

Weasel legislators…

 

[toddnjoyce]

Also, never forget if you are needing “a defense to prosecution,” you’ve been charged, you are being prosecuted, and you are now defending yourself.

Weasel legislators…

Do you know how many people have been charged with a 30.06 violation for as long as DPS has records for?

I do.

Zero. For .07, a handful and that was after being given oral notice by an LEO and still refusing to leave.

 

[WAA]

Do you know how many people have been charged with a 30.06 violation for as long as DPS has records for?

I do.

Zero. For .07, a handful and that was after being given oral notice by an LEO and still refusing to leave.

Not disputing the numbers.

 

[seeker_two]

Per Todd, for 30.06 and 30.07 there is a defense to prosecution for voluntary emergency services personnel without regard to being engaged. This means all you have to do is present the defense and the state then has to prove otherwise. Given the language in 46.01, that’s extremely difficult to do.

Separately, 46.15 if you are a volunteer and you are engaged in providing emergency services then places like schools, amusement parks, race tracks are no longer off limits to you. The example would be active shooter at the local ISD high school. So long as you are actively engaged to “provide services for the benefit of the general public during emergency situations” you can be armed inside any of those state prohibited places and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans, because that no longer applies to you.

Also, under the Texas Health and Safety Code 161.0001 para 1-a, a "First responder" means:

(A) any federal, state, local, or private personnel who may respond to a disaster, including:

(i) public health and public safety personnel;
(ii) commissioned law enforcement personnel;
(iii) fire protection personnel, including volunteer firefighters;
(iv) emergency medical services personnel, including hospital emergency facility staff;
(v) a member of the National Guard;
(vi) a member of the Texas State Guard; or
(vii) any other worker who responds to a disaster in the worker's scope of employment

As a Behavior Specialist at my school district, I am a worker who responds to a disaster as part of my employment. Maybe that means I should carry more....

 

[jordanmills]

Also, never forget if you are needing “a defense to prosecution,” you’ve been charged, you are being prosecuted, and you are now defending yourself.

Weasel legislators…

Yes, but why would a DA bother to prosecute a case where the law says "claim this and it goes away"?

 

[John Galt]

Depending on which county you are in at the time, to make an example of you.
Remember, the process IS the punishment.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Depending on which county you are in at the time, to make an example of you.
Remember, the process IS the punishment.

Show me a county in Texas that has successfully prosecuted a 30.06 violation.