Less than lethal ammo

[baboon]

With the thread about being ready to riot I wonder who has less then lethal munitions? I have a decent collection of them for my M203, Baton, rubber buckshot, sponge & smoke. No gas rounds. I figure if they are surplused I don't wan't them leaking around my house.

I have a couple boxes of 12 gauge rubber buckshot too.

 

[45tex]

Policemen arm themselves with such munitions. They are backed up by real munitions. Many other Officers and good communications. If a riot comes to my house, and a shotgun is available, it will be provisioned with buckshot. After all my backup is probably going to be my wife and she does not always communicate well.

 

[grasshopperglock]

I guess a less then lethal warning shot to the ground counts.

I'm not shooting the ground. Other then that. Ball ammo? It'll poke a hole and give a better chance of making it through to see another day. If the hole is in your head. I guess that's not so much non lethal.


This is a bad situation at all four corners.

 

[Bozz10mm]

I have a sling shot, some hockey pucks, a pail of rocks, and a very bright flashlight.

 

[TxStetson]

I don’t need non-lethal ammo at my house. If the time comes where I need ammo, its going to be the real deal.

 

[jrbfishn]

If it gets that bad, my gate should have been a warning. 8 dogs are the closest thing I have to non-lethal. If necessary to shoot anything, lethal will be justified as well as probably needed.
Rioting on my street would put you in a serious crossfire with my neighbors.

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[Charlie]

Depending on the situation, I "might" use less than lethal to start with. It'll damn sure remind them for a while. Next, if necessary, would be lethal.

 

[FireInTheWire]

I have 0 amount. Only the real thing. Depends on where ya live. If your in the city... maybe not a bad idea to keep from killing a bunch of morons doing moronic things, not necessarily hurting or killing folks. It would be good to bring the tempo down a notch around your domain.

 

[Army 1911]

Less than lethal means your shot placement sucks.

 

[toddnjoyce]

No less than lethal.

Not my job to disperse a riot.

Rioting requires a mob mentality. I’m not into that.

If it got bad enough, I’m sure I’d be recalled to active duty.

 

[CyberWolf]

(disclaimer: IANAL)

Maximum lethality only, nothing LTL; because:

1. In for a penny, in for a pound - Once you start throwing lead (or worse) at folks, it's either justified self defense or it's not (assuming something short of SHTF, then all bets are off).

2. Hard to argue after the fact that you feared for your life (thus justifiable use of deadly force) if you were lobbing rubber bullets/beanbags, etc., and shooting people as a general deterrent is no bueno...

3. If your actions were justifiable in self-defense/castle-doctrine, then lethal results as a natural outcome are also righteous, regardless of scale. If not, then the fact that 12ga was filled with rubber bullets is irrelevant, and you still goin' to jail.

 

[Vaquero]

No less than lethal.

Not my job to disperse a riot.

Rioting requires a mob mentality. I’m not into that.

If it got bad enough, I’m sure I’d be recalled to active duty.

If you were recalled, what would you do?
Follow orders to attack civilians?
Not just you, but any veteran or reservists.

 

[Younggun]

I wouldn’t answer.


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[TheMailMan]

If you were recalled, what would you do?
Follow orders to attack civilians?
Not just you, but any veteran or reservists.

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[toddnjoyce]

If you were recalled, what would you do?
Follow orders to attack civilians?
Not just you, but any veteran or reservists.

I was wondering the same thing.

I don’t rightly know what I’d do, and I can’t speak for others; the hypothetical is too broad.

Likely the National Guard and Reserves would be activated as Title 10 (federal) resources and stop loss policies in place well before RRAD (Retired Recalled to Active Duty) would be authorized.

Rules for the Use of Force and Rules of Engagement would spell out who and what is authorized (except self-defense, an inherent right, is never denied).

Looping back though, the oath is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Being recalled where that’s not the objective would be neither legal nor lawful, so we have to ask what defines a domestic enemy?

Treason is what characterizes being a domestic enemy. And I’m not talking about pundits shouting treason, I’m talking Article III treason*. If wide-spread treason is going on, we’re back to 1861.

So, I’ll punt on answering for now and get back to you when the situation is at hand.


* “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

 

[BuzzinSATX]

Closest thing I have to “less lethal” is low brass clay 12 gauge rounds and .22LR. Both of which are last resort if the real stuff is gone, but I’m thinking I’ll be done long before it gets to that.


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[kenboyles72]

Less than lethal loads? Nope, not gonna do it. If the situation comes to me pulling a firearm, then that means my life is in immediate danger and when I pull the trigger, my intent is to end that danger. That also means, if you do pull a firearm, you had better be willing to go all the way. If it is a justified shoot, then your good to go. Anything else is gonna get you killed or locked up for a long time.

 

[avvidclif]

Like a previous comment, "Less then Lethal" means I didn't hit what I was aiming for. BUT I have a bunch more tries before I call it over.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Answer....NONE.....reasoning....what Cliff said^^^^^^

 

[BillFairbanks]

I keep my LTL ammo in my locker

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