LEO training for OC law

[BRD@66]

LEO training for OC law
I know a guy who is helping to codify training for LEOs with regard to the pending OC law and is seeking input from common sense-equipped gun nuts, er, firearms enthusiasts. I've convinced him that this TGT bunch is NOT like OCT or OCTC. Have you got any ideas on what you'd like to see included or definitely NOT included as training elements for law enforcement officers making contact with open carriers? If so, share 'em here please.

 

[jrbfishn]

That the vast majority of criminals will NOT carry openly. They are too well known to LE.

That a little courtesy, from both of us , goes a long way.

WE are NOT the enemy. And many of us know as much as, if not more than, many of them know about gun safety and use. Don't pre-judge us.

from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[majormadmax]

Already being discussed/worked by departments and agencies across the state. I honestly don't think the fears of LE harassment will pan out, the vast majority will not likely bat an eye at the sight of the average citizen OC'ing unless they are doing something to attract attention to themselves. Even if there is a quick license check, simple compliance will the request will mean the matter will be over with in less than a minute.

If anything, I think some people could use a little guidance on how to OC. I am more concerned about the OCT/OCTC types that think it's an excuse to Rambo up and run around acting like their SF. Not that the law prohibits it, but some common sense needs to come into play and based on their past shenanigans; I fear it is much more likely that they will try something that will cast us all in a negative light than the response of LE officers...

 

[jrbfishn]

I agree. Most already realize that citizens carrying doen't mean they are in danger. But there are some whose insecurity will cause them to swagger and draw unnecessary attention. And make us all look bad.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[zincwarrior]

LEO training for OC law
I know a guy who is helping to codify training for LEOs with regard to the pending OC law and is seeking input from common sense-equipped gun nuts, er, firearms enthusiasts. I've convinced him that this TGT bunch is NOT like OCT or OCTC. Have you got any ideas on what you'd like to see included or definitely NOT included as training elements for law enforcement officers making contact with open carriers? If so, share 'em here please.

Seriously, I mean you're not bsing? That would be excellent. Some simple training on being aware of the law and being calm while investigating is just the thing needed in this circumstance.

 

[zincwarrior]

That the vast majority of criminals will NOT carry openly. They are too well known to LE.

That a little courtesy, from both of us , goes a long way.

WE are NOT the enemy. And many of us know as much as, if not more than, many of them know about gun safety and use. Don't pre-judge us.

from an idgit coffeeholic

This. While I am not a fan of OC pistols, or long guns outside of traditional areas where this historically occurred, this is the key. Calmly assess the situation and move on. Citizens will have the right to OC whether the police think its wise or not, so just assess if they are legally OCing and move on.

If anything, I think some people could use a little guidance on how to OC. I am more concerned about the OCT/OCTC types that think it's an excuse to Rambo up and run around acting like their SF. Not that the law prohibits it, but some common sense needs to come into play and based on their past shenanigans; I fear it is much more likely that they will try something that will cast us all in a negative light than the response of LE officers...

Wisdom as well. It goes back to the simple rule: "don't be a dick."
Actually I think extremely few people will OC pistols.

 

[Chirpy]

I am more concerned about the OCT/OCTC types that think it's an excuse to Rambo up and run around acting like their SF.

I read that as "acting like they are Stupid Fucks"

I agreed with that also.

 

[BRD@66]

I read that as "acting like they are Stupid Fucks"

I agreed with that also.

Acting? ACTING?
Well, thank you all so far. I'm gonna send the link to this thread to my inquirer.

 

[txinvestigator]

LEO training for OC law
I know a guy who is helping to codify training for LEOs with regard to the pending OC law and is seeking input from common sense-equipped gun nuts, er, firearms enthusiasts. I've convinced him that this TGT bunch is NOT like OCT or OCTC. Have you got any ideas on what you'd like to see included or definitely NOT included as training elements for law enforcement officers making contact with open carriers? If so, share 'em here please.

I highly doubt any LE agency is going to take advice regarding policy or procedure from some guy who asks another guy to ask questions of an internet gun forum.

 

[BRD@66]

I highly doubt any LE agency is going to take advice regarding policy or procedure from some guy who asks another guy to ask questions of an internet gun forum.

Received invitation to flame and must decline. Thanks anyway.

 

[Army 1911]

OCers need to recognize that a man with a gun call will result in a stop by a cop. So they need to be polite. Cops need to be polite too. Maybe they could give the OCer a card stating that they have been checked on ________ by badge nu ________. So that if a second call is made later that day the OCer could just hand that to the second cop.

Man with gun calls need to have a record of who called, if the same person continues to make calls just as harassment, some action could be taken. Or the results of the stop should be relayed back to the caller with the admonishment of no calls for harassment because the don't agree with the law or some such.

I say this because a neighbor has called several times on me when I have been cleaning my guns in the back patio. I know who it is as only one house has a view over the privacy fence.

 

[txinvestigator]

Received invitation to flame and must decline. Thanks anyway.

I don't doubt that your friend TOLD you these things. I just don't believe the thing to be true.

 

[Charlie]

I highly doubt any LE agency is going to take advice regarding policy or procedure from some guy who asks another guy to ask questions of an internet gun forum.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

How's this for advice? Don't f%$* around with dudes legally carrying guns. When some little ninny calls the Five-O, tell them this is Texas baby, it ain't illegal.

 

[majormadmax]

Just saw this today...

Police Officers from Jourdanton PD, Pleasanton PD, Poteet PD, Atascosa County Sheriff's Office, Texas DPS, Texas Game Wardens, the Atascosa County Attorney's Office, and other agencies met today to review the details of the Texas "Open Carry" laws that go into effect January 1st, 2016.

So, as I said, it's not being ignored and agencies are working through how to handle the change. For the vast majority of those who OC, it will be a non-issue...

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Cops' duties do not trump the rights of the citizens. More guns, the less need for LE.

In our society we need fewer doctors and fewer cops. Government out of our lives.

 

[zincwarrior]

How's this for advice? Don't f%$* around with dudes legally carrying guns. When some little ninny calls the Five-O, tell them this is Texas baby, it ain't illegal.

Trying to figure out how that is related to training for POs actually.

 

[zincwarrior]

Cops' duties do not trump the rights of the citizens. More guns, the less need for LE.

In our society we need fewer doctors and fewer cops. Government out of our lives.

SPoken like someone who's never needed a doctor...

 

[JohnnyLoco]

SPoken like someone who's never needed a doctor...

Not for preventative care or nutritional advice. Nope.

Emergency or trauma is another matter.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Trying to figure out how that is related to training for POs actually.

Train them to leave those citizens alone unless they are committing a crime.