Just had my WWII hero Dad's TRW M14NM retirement gift rifle confiscated by ATF

[baboon]

Just noticed a H&R M-14, National Match, C&R, original rare popped up on stumgewehr.com. No where were near what the OP felt his was worth!

WTS, H&R M-14, National Match, C&R, original rare

Hello All: WTS US M-14, H&R, select fire, uncut original, full up National Match with spare M2 stock with all metal. Incredible accurate. Beautiful gun. Late production with all improvements. Has semi only selector knob for match use to prevent full auto. Select fire knob installed now. 10 ma...

www.sturmgewehr.com

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Excuse my ignorance, but are these "apples to apples"?

 

[baboon]

Excuse my ignorance, but are these "apples to apples"?

I would think they are mighty close. The H&R gun is probably an earlier built gun, then his TRW. If I didn't say it I was thinking anyone who would spend $20K in legal fees to regain a $30+ K gun was getting left with a $10+K gun.
$10K buy an open bolt Mac10

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I thought the fact that his was "supposedly" issued as "not FA capable" made it different/rare.
At least according to him.

I have no idea.

 

[grumper]

Just having the lug for the selector intact makes it a MG because it can be restored to select fire by grinding off the welded block and reinstalling the switch.

That one on Sturmgewehr is a transferable. The OP's is contraband unless he finds some paperwork documenting the US government gifted it to his father. So no, not even close to apples to apples, monetary value wise.

 

[baboon]

Just having the lug for the selector intact makes it a MG because it can be restored to select fire by grinding off the welded block and reinstalling the switch.

That one on Sturmgewehr is a transferable. The OP's is contraband unless he finds some paperwork documenting the US government gifted it to his father. So no, not even close to apples to apples, monetary value wise.

Shit we pretty much all knew it was contraband from the get go! It’s a shame his father didn’t let his sons know the finer points of it! Hearing about you fathers exploits as a hero then thinking you ass might be in club fed because of the truth!

 

[candcallen]

He- She- It (circle designation of choice)

There -fixed it

So shit head is an all inclusive pronoun now.

 

[candcallen]

OP last visited sept 15. Never see him again mr thinks.

 

[Axxe55]

Just having the lug for the selector intact makes it a MG because it can be restored to select fire by grinding off the welded block and reinstalling the switch.

That one on Sturmgewehr is a transferable. The OP's is contraband unless he finds some paperwork documenting the US government gifted it to his father. So no, not even close to apples to apples, monetary value wise.

Even if there was a letter, signed by the military, gifting the rifle, IF it was not registered by September 1986, it still might not be legal or transferable according to the laws governing NFA items.

 

[grumper]

If it was transferred to an individual by a sufficiently high ranking official acting under authority of the US Federal Govt before 1986 it should be treated the same as if it was registered to the recipient.

It's the government's responsibility to update their registry to reflect that change of ownership. If the military didn't bother to keep the revenue service's books up to date the NFA Branch sometimes owns up to the bookkeeping SNAFU and amends their records.

That's how some war trophies and DEWATs got added to the registry. When a GI returns from Europe after WW2 with a MP40 and a letter from General Eisenhower stating Private Gump has been given this captured German weapon, in the past it has been treated as if it was actually registered but the govt failed to update their records.

If this M14 was owned by the military and given as a retirement gift in the 1970s that's well before the cut off date in 1986.

 

[Tnhawk]

I doubt that Biden’s atf will ever return it.

 

[Axxe55]

I doubt that Biden’s atf will ever return it.

That would be my guess as well. Very unlikely.

 

[baboon]

Now it’ some liberal BATFE agents war trophy!

 

[Axxe55]

Now it’ some liberal BATFE agents war trophy!

Entirely possible.

 

[M14NM illegally seized]

OK guys. Here is an update. I have contacted both Ted Cruz and John Cornyn's offices over a month ago. Have not heard back from either so I called both this week. They are going to contact their folks in Washington to see if they have contacted ATF. The Waco ATF assures me that the status of the rifle as of now is "on hold" and no action will be taken without notification.
As I stated earlier, the rifle is "above my pay grade" The only XM21 known to exist is in the west point museum. I happen to know where there is another. My rifle is an M21. The XM21 is the "Experimental" version of the M14NM when it was being developed for use as a sniper weapon in Vietnam. The M21 is the army "accepted" version of the M14NM sniper rifle. There are NO known examples of M21s in civilian hands. I would venture to say that the value of $8,500 quoted by someone for my M21 may be off by as much as a magnitude of 10. My M21 plus the XM21, I hope we get to find out.

 

[M14NM illegally seized]

I am not getting notices of posts, I thought this had died.

 

[M14NM illegally seized]

The rifle was acquired under AR920-25 which I posted earlier. Please read the last part of paragraph 2. There was no need to register it in 1986, the director of the forerunner of the ATF had declared that it was legal to sell to civilians as a semi-auto only. My Father was a senior NCO and NCOIC of the FT. Hood CMMI Team.( how is that for alphabet soup!!) Non Commissioned Officer, NCO In Charge, Command Material Maintenance Inspection Team.
He went all over the 5 state area around Texas inspecting units to be sure they were "combat ready"
He was a supply specialist, and buddy-buddy with the Army Marksmanship Team. He had a couple of as I recall 421T .22 target rifles that were used at Ft Hood to train teenagers and lots of peep sights and misc. marksmanship stuff.
It is amazing the stuff that was floating (and is still floating) around the Killeen Tx area.

 

[baboon]

Good luck in getting it back. It is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

 

[candcallen]

Good luck in getting it back. It is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

Or gets the ATF to your door.

 

[baboon]

Or gets the ATF to your door.

I love for him to get it back! Any win over the BATFE is a win for us!