Help finding a certain shotgun

[Andiamo]

I am trying to find a certain configuration of shotgun. I am looking for a non-NFA semiautomatic 12ga with a barrel length of 10” or 14” and a folding stock/brace. I am looking at the SKO Mini, as well as the AR/AK platforms. It seems the most options would be with a 12ga on an AR platform, including the option for a Franklin binary trigger

There are no folding brace options for the SKO Mini (14” barrel), but there is this video of a stock being installed on an SKO Shorty (18” barrel).



If the shotgun was not manufactured with a stock, can it have a shorter OAL than 26”? Is this Amsel Striker still subject to the NFA even though it doesn’t have a stock? What is the difference in legality between a Mossberg Shockwave and this Amsel Striker?

What model shotguns match the criteria, or have the aftermarket options to match the criteria I’ve described? I am open to hearing all options, including detachable magazine and fixed mag tube firearms. I am essentially looking for an AR pistol in 12ga

 

[baboon]

The Strikers IIRC are Destructive Devices thanks to Sen LLoyd Bentsen!

 

[SQLGeek]

It's a 13" barrel but take a look at a Remington Tac-13 with a brace adapter and brace.

 

[Andiamo]

It's a 13" barrel but take a look at a Remington Tac-13 with a brace adapter and brace.

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I’ve seen this. I’m seriously looking at the Kalishkanov Komrad

 

[SQLGeek]

Sorry, missed the folding brace requirement. I don't think there's an adapter made for that currently.

 

[Andiamo]

Sorry, missed the folding brace requirement. I don't think there's an adapter made for that currently.

Is there a minimum OAL if the shotgun is a pistol?

 

[SQLGeek]

I am not a lawyer so this is not legal advice:

Unrifled guns like the Shockwave and Remington Tac13/14 are considered "firearms" per Federal law if the OAL is 26" or greater. They can then have a barrel less than 18". Even with a brace, they are not considered pistols and are not considered shotguns. They cannot start life as a long gun and cannot have a stock.

Edited to Add: Before you build anything yourself, do the proper legal research and don't rely on random internet forum poster's advice.

 

[billtool]

It's a 13" barrel but take a look at a Remington Tac-13 with a brace adapter and brace.

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This! Stock doesn’t fold but who gives a rip. This is a bear protection machine.

 

[zackmars]

You can get a folding brace for the tac 13. I think that psychopath saurez sells one

I wouldn't go near one of those ar style shotguns, but thats just me

 

[G O B]

NO 12 ga pistols. Bore is over 1/2". The only non NFA shot pistols that are legal are .410 with a bore of LESS than 1/2".
We went all over that on the Saiga-12 forum. That is now a pretty dead forum, but is still there and has a LOT of good info on the subject.

 

[baboon]

Just think if the OP had bought a Benelli CQB/Entry gun first!

 

[billtool]

The Tac-13 is the path. Plus- they were a short run and no longer made. Worth a mint in the marketplace right now. Don’t see that changing even if the current dumb dumb gun pricing decreases over time.