Florida Sheriff Takes Issue With Young Adults Buying Guns

[DougC]

Read more at Bearing Arms blog;

Orange County Sheriff and former Orlando Police Chief John Mina, who’s also opposed to the state’s permitless carry law and attempts to end the ban on open carry in the state, says that young adults should still be barred from lawfully purchasing a firearm at retail, though the stated reasons for his objections don’t make much sense.

“That was passed in a Republican-controlled legislature and under a republican Governor,” Orange County Sheriff John Mina recalled. “I don’t see the reason behind it.”
Mina says decreasing the age back to 18 would be a huge mistake.
“I don’t want a young person who has been involved with criminal activity all their life to turn 18 and then go to a gun store and purchase a rifle,” Mina explained.

I agree with author. If one is involved in the criminal activity 'all their life' they will have a rap sheet and can't buy at (FFL) gun store. But out on the street or steal it.



p.s. Sheriff Mina in incumbent democrat who is up for re-election in 2024.

 

[Sasquatch]

If they've been involved in crime all their life - lock their dumb ass up.

If you're deemed worthy enough to walk the streets - your right to keep & bear arms should not be infringed. Don't care if you're a felon, multi time felon, or Ned Flanders. If you're too dangerous to have a weapon, you are too dangerous to be among the general public. Lock them up or honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights. There are almost no other rights that are stripped for life with a conviction beyond gun rights, besides voting rights in some states. You don't lose your first amendment, 4th amendment, or 5th amendment rights upon conviction - why should the 2nd be any different?

Rock, screwdriver, knife, sword, club, hammer, Glock, or LAW rocket launcher - if you're not so terrible to be locked away from humanity, then you should be able to have any of those items on your person. And should you be so bold and retarded as to attempt to commit violence upon others, they too, being free people should have the same access and ability to employ the same against you.

The older I get the more 2A absolutist I become. Violent offenders have no business among free men (and women, and trannies, and any of the 52 other genders) - they belong behind and under bars or in the ground. Rapists, pedophiles, would be killers and actual killers should be in prison. Shit like drug crimes shouldn't get someone as much time, or even the same kind of time, as violence.

Cops who are cool with disarming the public and denying people their rights just for existing have no business wearing a badge.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Read more at Bearing Arms blog;

Orange County Sheriff and former Orlando Police Chief John Mina, who’s also opposed to the state’s permitless carry law and attempts to end the ban on open carry in the state, says that young adults should still be barred from lawfully purchasing a firearm at retail, though the stated reasons for his objections don’t make much sense.



I agree with author. If one is involved in the criminal activity 'all their life' they will have a rap sheet and can't buy at (FFL) gun store. But out on the street or steal it.



p.s. Sheriff Mina in incumbent democrat who is up for re-election in 2024.

Figures he is a Democrat hit with the stupid stick

 

[DoubleDuty]

If they've been involved in crime all their life - lock their dumb ass up.

If you're deemed worthy enough to walk the streets - your right to keep & bear arms should not be infringed. Don't care if you're a felon, multi time felon, or Ned Flanders. If you're too dangerous to have a weapon, you are too dangerous to be among the general public. Lock them up or honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights. There are almost no other rights that are stripped for life with a conviction beyond gun rights, besides voting rights in some states. You don't lose your first amendment, 4th amendment, or 5th amendment rights upon conviction - why should the 2nd be any different?

Rock, screwdriver, knife, sword, club, hammer, Glock, or LAW rocket launcher - if you're not so terrible to be locked away from humanity, then you should be able to have any of those items on your person. And should you be so bold and retarded as to attempt to commit violence upon others, they too, being free people should have the same access and ability to employ the same against you.

The older I get the more 2A absolutist I become. Violent offenders have no business among free men (and women, and trannies, and any of the 52 other genders) - they belong behind and under bars or in the ground. Rapists, pedophiles, would be killers and actual killers should be in prison. Shit like drug crimes shouldn't get someone as much time, or even the same kind of time, as violence.

Cops who are cool with disarming the public and denying people their rights just for existing have no business wearing a badge.

Just like the politicians who violate their oath.

 

[A1Oni]

wow cops wanting to infringe on peoples rights? color me shocked.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Florida Republican Attorney General, Ashley Moody is currently arguing before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeal that Florida's Under-21 Purchase Ban is completely legal and constitutional under Bruen's Text, History, and Tradition.

And she has the nerve to campaign that she's pro-gun.

Saying the restriction is “fully consistent” with “historical tradition,” lawyers for Florida are urging an Atlanta-based appeals court to uphold a law preventing people under age 21 from purchasing rifles and other long guns.

Florida’s lawyers, in a brief filed Friday, said the Supreme Court held courts must “examine our ‘historical tradition of firearm regulation,’” referring to a major decision in an earlier case known as New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

Quoting from the Rahimi decision, the state’s brief said that previous court rulings about gun rights “were not meant to suggest a law trapped in amber,” because the Second Amendment “permits more than just those regulations identical to ones that could be found in 1791.”

The Florida law prevented the purchase of long guns by people under 21 but allowed them to use or possess them, which is “fully consistent” with the nation’s history, lawyers for Attorney General Ashley Moody’s office wrote in the brief. For example, a person under 21 could receive a gun as a gift from a relative.

“Florida’s law restricting the purchase, but not possession or use, of firearms by those under 21 is consistent with the principles that underpin our regulatory tradition. At the (nation’s) founding, individuals under 21 were considered lacking in the requisite judgment and reason to enter into contracts, which at the time were necessary to purchase firearms because such goods were bought on credit in early America’s agrarian economy. States recognized this common-law limitation when enacting their militia laws,” the brief said.

The Florida law “fits neatly within” the nation’s “historical tradition,” the state’s lawyers argued.

“The purpose of Florida’s law is the same as those historical restrictions — preventing those who the founders considered to lack capacity from purchasing firearms, while allowing parents to facilitate their possession and use,” the brief said.

“Taken together, the historical record demonstrates that the common law curtailed minors’ ability to purchase firearms, and the founders expressed no concern about that limitation,” Moody’s lawyers argued.

States began passing restrictions on ages to purchase guns in 1855, as guns became more powerful and more readily accessible, the state’s brief said.

Florida urges appeals court to uphold law banning rifle sales to people under 21

Saying the restriction is “fully consistent” with “historical tradition,” lawyers for Florida are urging an Atlanta-based appeals court to uphold a law preventing people under age 21 from purchasing rifles and other long guns.

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And who's backing her play? California.

Yup, the State of California, along with twenty other anti-gun Attorney Generals has filed amicus briefs to support Florida's Republican Attorney General Ashley Moody to fight against the repeal of the Republican passed gun control after Parkland in 2018. Currently, in the 11th Circuit, the Under-21 Purchase Ban has been appealed for an en banc review after a three-judge panel ruled that the Under-21 Purchase Ban was constitutional under NYSRPA v. Bruen.

At no point as Gov. DeSantis nor has FL AG Moody publicly commented on this case and the law specifically being unconstitutional.

The fact that you have a Republican AG in a Republican Supermajority State fighting against the repeal of a unconstitutional law, with a Republican Governor staying silent on the issue is deafening.

Friday, August 30, 2024
Contact: (916) 210-6000, agpressoffice@doj.ca.gov
SACRAMENTO — California Attorney General Rob Bonta today joined a multistate coalition of attorneys general encouraging the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, sitting en banc, to affirm a 2021 district court decision rejecting a Second Amendment challenge to a Florida law that prohibits any person under the age of 21 from purchasing firearms and prohibits federally licensed firearms dealers from selling firearms to anyone younger than 21. The brief, filed in National Rifle Association v. Commissioner, warns that an opinion of the full court striking down the Florida law could undermine efforts by states to protect their citizens through the application of similar age limitations laws.

“States need the freedom to develop individualized firearms regulations tailored to the specific public safety needs and circumstances in their jurisdictions,” said Attorney General Bonta. “Many states across the nation, including California, impose some age-based restrictions on the possession, purchase, transfer, or use of firearms, reflecting their collective judgment that such laws promote public safety and curb gun violence within their borders. I stand with Florida and other states dedicated to safeguarding commonsense gun laws.”

Plaintiffs challenged Florida’s age limit law on the ground that it unduly infringes upon the Second Amendment rights of individuals aged 18 to 20. But the district court rejected that claim in 2021 based on a historical record that provides abundant evidence of a longstanding tradition of limiting access to firearms for those under age 21. In 2023, a three-judge panel for the Eleventh Circuit assessed the challenge under the new legal framework from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, and affirmed the district court’s decision to uphold Florida’s law. The Second Amendment allows governments to enact sensible and varied regulations designed to protect the public as long as those regulations are consistent with the nation’s historical tradition.

These efforts continue the ongoing work of Attorney General Bonta to protect the public from gun violence. Recently, the Attorney General launched a first-in-the-nation Office of Gun Violence Prevention, took legal action against ghost gun retailers, advocated for and defended commonsense gun laws, worked on the ground to keep firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals, and announced Senate Bill 2 (SB 2), to strengthen California's existing concealed carry weapon (CCW) laws. California’s Assembly Bill 1594 (AB 1594), which was sponsored by Attorney General Bonta and signed into law in July 2022, creates a pathway for Californians who have been harmed by gun violence to hold the appropriate parties — including gun manufacturers and distributors — accountable.

Attorney General Bonta joins the attorneys general of Illinois, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington in filing this amicus brief.

Attorney General Bonta Calls on Court to Uphold Commonsense Firearm Restrictions for People Under Age 21

SACRAMENTO — California Attorney General Rob Bonta today joined a multistate coalition of attorneys general encouraging the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, sitting en banc, to affirm a 2021 district court decision rejecting a Second Amendment challenge to a Florida law that...

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A copy of the brief can be found here.

 

[TAZ]

Wait. I thought the GOP were our friends. Oh yeah….


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