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  • Axxe55

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    satx , you're exactly the kind of people that could be helpful in researching this item. Someone with knowledge about such things, with actual experience. I have a similar thread in NWF, and was hoping to get a lead from there, but got most event info from the C&R fellas over on Calguns within the first week. Then Covid hit and there was a big fire in Okanogan. The medallion really hasn't meant anything to the owner, but it interest me. They could have done a little research 30 years ago, when it was more likely someone was around who remembered. PAX

    What are the chances of reaching out to his children? Its' a longshot that they would even talk you, or even have any knowledge or information on the shotgun, but you never know.
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    echo1

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    What are the chances of reaching out to his children? Its' a longshot that they would even talk you, or even have any knowledge or information on the shotgun, but you never know.

    Slim to none. Pappy went off with a youngster in the '70's or '80's, and it all turned ugly. Much litigation between the new wife and his children, a son and daughter I think. He was from Coeur d'Alene (thier strip is called Boyington Field), but passed away in Fresno. Maybe he lost it in a poker game, I don't know, anything's possible. PAX
     

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    Slim to none. Pappy went off with a youngster in the '70's or '80's, and it all turned ugly. Much litigation between the new wife and his children, a son and daughter I think. He was from Coeur d'Alene (thier strip is called Boyington Field), but passed away in Fresno. Maybe he lost it in a poker game, I don't know, anything's possible. PAX

    It was just a passing thought and didn't know if it was an avenue you looked at.

    I was thinking about this earlier today. Any records pertaining to the shotgun from Winchester, are more than likely only going to show what dealer or gun store the gun was shipped to. I'm thinking, that the plaque was added later by a gunsmith possibly, or a trophy shop and there wouldn't be any records of that.

    But, what about seeing if there are any trophy makers or gunsmiths in that town of Okanogan. Maybe asking around someone remembers something. Another longshot!
     

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    It was just a passing thought and didn't know if it was an avenue you looked at.

    I was thinking about this earlier today. Any records pertaining to the shotgun from Winchester, are more than likely only going to show what dealer or gun store the gun was shipped to. I'm thinking, that the plaque was added later by a gunsmith possibly, or a trophy shop and there wouldn't be any records of that.

    But, what about seeing if there are any trophy makers or gunsmiths in that town of Okanogan. Maybe asking around someone remembers something. Another longshot!

    I think it was post #16 where I mentioned reaching out to all those folks and more, in the Okanogan area. The 2 papers that were, are long since shuttered, and we've some of their print on microfiche from WSU. At this point, that avenue is being chased via snail mail. PAX
     

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    I think it was post #16 where I mentioned reaching out to all those folks and more, in the Okanogan area. The 2 papers that were, are long since shuttered, and we've some of their print on microfiche from WSU. At this point, that avenue is being chased via snail mail. PAX

    Seems you are covering all the bases I would have thought of already. Like I said, it was a longshot.
     

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    The little plaque is called an escutcheon.
    I haven’t seen a Model 12 with one from the factory.
    It was most likely added at an engraving shop or trophy store. Guns were often monogrammed for outgoing commanders and for shooting prizes.
    It is most likely genuine, though it may not add much value.
    The Model 12 in the picture looks to be better than base grade.
    If it is a pigeon grade or better, in excellent condition it could be worth over $2000. Such guns are terribly rare.
     
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    The little plaque is called an escutcheo.
    I haven’t seen a Model 12 with one from the factory.
    It was most likely added at an engraving shop or trophy store. Guns were often monogrammed for outgoing commanders and for shooting prizes.
    It is most likely genuine, though it may not add much value.
    The Model 12 in the picture looks to be better than base grade.
    If it is a pigeon grade or better, in excellent condition it could be worth over $2000. Such guns are terribly rare.

    That is along the same lines I was thinking. If that is how the plate was attached to the shotgun, there possibly may be no records of who or when it was done.

    May be covering ground already covered, but who presented the shotgun to Boyington?
     

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    That is along the same lines I was thinking. If that is how the plate was attached to the shotgun, there possibly may be no records of who or when it was done.

    May be covering ground already covered, but who presented the shotgun to Boyington?

    Not a clue. It came from an estate sale in Pocatello. That would be some useful data. PAX
     

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    Not a clue. It came from an estate sale in Pocatello. That would be some useful data. PAX

    Would it be safe to assume that the people involved with the property of the estate had passed, and anyone with knowledge of the shotgun isn't around anymore?

    Is so, how that person acquired the shotgun and from whom is now a dead end. And who knows how many people had owned it prior to the people at the estate sale.
     

    echo1

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    Would it be safe to assume that the people involved with the property of the estate had passed, and anyone with knowledge of the shotgun isn't around anymore?

    Is so, how that person acquired the shotgun and from whom is now a dead end. And who knows how many people had owned it prior to the people at the estate sale.

    The owner said it was on a table with other goods and the seller was a youngster (twenty something), 35 years ago, but it was still in Idaho. Who knows' is anybody's guess. PAX
     

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    The owner said it was on a table with other goods and the seller was a youngster (twenty something), 35 years ago, but it was still in Idaho. Who knows' is anybody's guess. PAX

    Quite possible the person could have been his father or grandfather had bought the shotgun. And if he was selling it, he probably didn't even know, or maybe even care about it's relevance, and the importance of the possible original recipient of the shotgun.

    Sad, over many years on many various gun forums, I have seen that many times. A family member passes on and owned some really nice, or old guns, and the youngsters inherit them and have little use of holding onto them out of sentimental reasons. Quick to sell as they can, for either money, or to use the money for newer guns. Sad IMO. I have an old, old shotgun that belonged to my grandfather. Retail value? Probably less that $75 at best. Sentimental value? To me, priceless and will never be sold for any amount of money.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Yeah, I have a shotgun which I can't remember specifics about, information I was told over 50 years ago, which could possibly increase the value, and nobody to ask.
     

    echo1

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    I'm trying to make sure that doesn't happen with my stash. It's in trust with specific instructions for the caretaker. My grand kids are gonna score. The last gun estate sale I went too, the survivors reamed the deceased. All I got were the leftovers, the good stuff was long gone.

    Here's most of it. There was a single shot .22 that I gave to my bud. That was Hungarian M44 furniture that helped a Calguns member save one, and the 1917 stock is going towards restoring an Eddystone sport job I picked up. The "Last ditch" Arisaka T99 has the MUM intact. PAX

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