Don't be an easy target.....shooting on the move!

Sublime

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Did you or did you not state they need to shuffle walk slow etc so they won’t trip/step on stuff? You didn’t mention anything about backpedaling. I did. Backpedaling is when people tend to trip and step on things; not when they’re allowing their body to move how it was meant to move.


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I dunno, I can see you tripping on stuff moving laterally or even forward when you are focusing pn someone trying to kill you. Duck walking has been taught at many a class. Is it always appropriate? Many ways to skin a cat. My shooting on the move sucks but hey If I am throwing rounds downrange, maybe I am buying myself some time to get to cover?

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Jon Payne

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I dunno, I can see you tripping on stuff moving laterally or even forward when you are focusing pn someone trying to kill you. Duck walking has been taught at many a class. Is it always appropriate? Many ways to skin a cat. My shooting on the move sucks but hey If I am throwing rounds downrange, maybe I am buying myself some time to get to cover?

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“Duck walking” can fit in a proactive fight. Try to use it in a reactive fight and you’re almost guaranteed a fail. I say almost because nothing’s 100%. If you’ve done a well organized Force on Force you’ll understand the context.


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Jon Payne

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I’m not trying to snipe students from the OP’s well thought out submission. I don’t make a dime off of Gabe’s DVD unless I sell it from my own store. I’m sure the OP is more than capable of describing what is and isn’t getting off the x/Dynamic Movement.


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Sublime

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“Duck walking” can fit in a proactive fight. Try to use it in a reactive fight and you’re almost guaranteed a fail. I say almost because nothing’s 100%. If you’ve done a well organized Force on Force you’ll understand the context.


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Hence my earlier comment to move off the X (which is generally not backwards). You mentioned that backpedaling is what usually leads to tripping in regards to another's comment of moving slowly shuffling feet while shooting on the move.
My point is that it is not the only way to trip - backpedaling. Add the stress of someone shooting at you and tunnel vision associated with it and tripping becomes a real issue.
There are times to move slowly and deliberately and times to move quickly just as there are times to move and then shoot and times to move while shooting.
As always, the situation dictates tactics.

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K9117

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I dunno, I can see you tripping on stuff moving laterally or even forward when you are focusing pn someone trying to kill you. Duck walking has been taught at many a class. Is it always appropriate? Many ways to skin a cat. My shooting on the move sucks but hey If I am throwing rounds downrange, maybe I am buying myself some time to get to cover?

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Yes sir, but I meant if going side to side. I should have been clearer, sorry for the confusion. There are alot of things a person won't "understand" until they've been shot at a couple of times. I'm reminded of that every time I see the scars left on me from an AK47 round. Guess I should have zigged when I zagged.
 

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Hence my earlier comment to move off the X (which is generally not backwards). You mentioned that backpedaling is what usually leads to tripping in regards to another's comment of moving slowly shuffling feet while shooting on the move.
My point is that it is not the only way to trip - backpedaling. Add the stress of someone shooting at you and tunnel vision associated with it and tripping becomes a real issue.
There are times to move slowly and deliberately and times to move quickly just as there are times to move and then shoot and times to move while shooting.
As always, the situation dictates tactics.
imho, In a similar scenario, point shooting is much more effective than sight shooting.

Regarding tunnel vision, if it's occuring due to being shot at, your training is insufficient or the methodology youre using is flawed. Tunnel vision is a manifestation of target fixation and I've seen it occur numerous times, typically in reactive situations where the encounter is abrupt, violent and unexpected. Our training cadre at Bragg had a saying that at the time sounded like some sort of Zen Bhuddist bs and didnt make a damn bit of sense; Slow, is fast. It wasnt until we hit the kill house that it clicked and when we put it to practice, our scores and proficiency increased dramatically. Three simple words, and I've never forgotten their significance. FISH/Freeflow/CQB/MOUT, it works and should be a foundational element regardless of the specific methodology your using.

Speaking of tunnel vision, I've approached fixated combatants close enough to take a PB head shot. If thats an ongoing problem, I would resolve it asap. Not only do you run the risk of losing situational awareness, it puts you and your teammates at risk.
 
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Sublime

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Yes sir, but I meant if going side to side. I should have been clearer, sorry for the confusion. There are alot of things a person won't "understand" until they've been shot at a couple of times. I'm reminded of that every time I see the scars left on me from an AK47 round. Guess I should have zigged when I zagged.
Yeah, I understood what you meant and it is a valid method moving laterally. I was kinda confused by JonPayne's response with backpedaling.

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Sublime

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imho, In a similar scenario, point shooting is much more effective than sight shooting.

Regarding tunnel vision, if it's occuring due to being shot at, your training is insufficient or the methodology youre using is flawed. Tunnel vision is a manifestation of target fixation and I've seen it occur numerous times, typically in reactive situations where the encounter is abrupt, violent and unexpected.
I dunno, after reading a ton of stuff and out of all the classes I have taken by squared away guys, I never considered point shooting. I get a flash sight picture but to me if you want hits on target, you use your sights for anything over 5 feet.

There are certain things the body begins to do after the release of adrenaline in hight stress situations - auditory exclusion and tunnel vision are 2 of them. Can It be trained out? Yep but I found it requires a lot more training than most average people do and most seem to default to their lowest level of training rather than rising to the occasion.


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