Patriot Mobile

Decision time!

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Texas

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • BBL

    Member
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Feb 8, 2021
    1,739
    96
    TX
    The vast majority of companies are in business for one reason, to make money. Company policies and rules are in place in place to protect the company, not the employee.

    If they think following some vaccine "mandate" is in their best interests of protecting their bottom line, that is exactly what they are going to do.

    I fear that the only solid solution to end this nightmare, are people being fired, walking off their jobs, and filing lawsuits in defiance of getting the vaccine.
    Agreed. Companies are in it to make money. No argument about that.
    However, one needs to wonder how much foresight they have and whether they realize that they will pay in the long run by losing valuable employees, having to hire newbs, having to train them etc. In the meantime, they won't be producing at full capacity and will suffer financial losses.
    While I do not have any concrete numerical data, common sense dictates that the financial fallout won't be negligible. Take SWA or ATC as two blatantly obvious examples.

    You are right that this mandate comes from above and the companies must comply. While some would say that there is no other option, it just means that they have not thought of other possibilities. With religious and medical exemptions, smart company leaders could offer a simple exemption form that an employee could just sign and continue their employment. Everybody wins.

    However, I believe that you might be onto something here where we really will need to see hard pushback and hard times of people losing jobs, filing lawsuits and possibly pushing the SCOTUS to actually rule in favor of our constitution.
    Capitol Armory ad
     

    TheDan

    deplorable malcontent scofflaw
    Rating - 100%
    8   0   0
    Nov 11, 2008
    27,536
    96
    Austin - Rockdale
    one needs to wonder how much foresight they have and whether they realize that they will pay in the long run by losing valuable employees, having to hire newbs, having to train them etc. In the meantime, they won't be producing at full capacity and will suffer financial losses.
    It's been my experience that senior management never considers the loss of intellectual capital or time to retrain until it is far too late.
     

    Sasquatch

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Apr 20, 2020
    6,590
    96
    Magnolia
    Is the standard HR word for an employee and employer parting ways. Separation is either voluntary (quit/retire) or involuntary (layoff/termination).

    Gotta love the legalese and way they try to word things so soft and cozy. While not a mega corp - I handled HR and was the direct manager for employees in the small business I was partner in before moving here. HR is a pain in the ass, even in a small company. Dealing with workman's comp, labor dept, and other insurers sucked.

    Maintaining disciplinary records was the worst though - because you have to document everything and give the employees enough rope to hang themselves with and you have to use language like that just to make the lawyers and government minions happy and hopefully rule in your favor if you have to fire someone for being a dumb ass and they push for UI or try making a wrongful termination claim.
     

    MTA

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    40   0   0
    Mar 10, 2017
    9,054
    96
    Fannin
    You know after 50 pages of posts we hope that you can make a decision and I have heard a lot of whining on this post. It's not like you are about to be drafted into the army to get your butt shot off in Viet Nam. Either get the shot or quit your job, that's what it comes down to. You have it a lot easier than what men have had in the past.
    The rest of us have alot more to lose than a job. Who the hell is going to raise my daughter if I have a serious reaction and drop dead? Who is going to provide for my family if I just "quit my job"?

    The dynamic is a little more complex than "YOURE A GIANT PUSSY IF YOU DONT TAKE THE BIG PHARMA SYRUP"
     

    Sasquatch

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Apr 20, 2020
    6,590
    96
    Magnolia
    To be honest, I already knew the answer to the first question, and I have a good idea of where the second is headed, I'm just not sure where it ends. Or, I'm afraid of where it might end.

    It either ends in violent revolution, pathetic capitulation, or least likely of all - we'll somehow vote out the bastards in 2022 and 2024, the new blood will wash in and sanitize government and they'll all repeal all the evil shit that has ever been passed and we'll enjoy a utopia of liberty and personal responsibility and life will be amazing again, the economy will boom, our poorest people will have homes and jobs and puppy dogs...
     

    easy rider

    Summer Slacker
    Lifetime Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 10, 2015
    31,489
    96
    Odessa, Tx
    It either ends in violent revolution, pathetic capitulation, or least likely of all - we'll somehow vote out the bastards in 2022 and 2024, the new blood will wash in and sanitize government and they'll all repeal all the evil shit that has ever been passed and we'll enjoy a utopia of liberty and personal responsibility and life will be amazing again, the economy will boom, our poorest people will have homes and jobs and puppy dogs...
    I wish I could believe in your third option, but that would be like thinking a socialist could build a Utopia that wouldn't end in Dystopia. I have no belief that there are enough politicians that would put their constituents interests above their own interests. Capitulation? I'll go live in the wilderness like an animal first. As far as revolution? Part of me says bring it on, part of me wants no part in it. Revolution will be tough on everyone, it's never like the movies.
     

    CodyK

    Well-Known
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 5, 2019
    1,324
    96
    Houston
    I was gonna just let this thread die, considering the drama it caused, but I figure since I started it, I needed to at least give an answer as to what my decision was. I got the vaccine. Not sure if it was the “right” thing to do personally, but having 2 kids that still rely on my heath/dental/vision benefits (and to be honest, anyone with kids will understand, all 4 of my kids seem to need other financial help more often than I like!), it was financially beneficial to do it. The other places I considered going to, were going to pay less, have worse benefit packages, and 2 of the places I looked at made mention of similar vaccine mandates. I did get a pretty big raise, by telling management I was leaving, although that was offered after I got the first dose of the vaccine, but before I told the company. Even after I got the first dose, I had told my department head, that I still wasn’t 100% on my decision, but that I was not happy with my job, and the mandate was probably the push I needed to leave. An hour later I was called in and offered a substantial raise to stay. As it turns out, I was one of the last 2 holdouts in my department. The other one, is 65, and eligible for retirement, so he says he’s submitting his paperwork December 31st. Not sure if this decision makes me a “sellout “ or what, but I don’t feel great about it. Guess it just is what is now.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Top Bottom