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  • Eli

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    One of the reasons I got an LTC is schools, with an LTC you can carry on a school campus without issue - without an LTC it's a felony!
    Unfortunately, while the legislature allowed for permitless carry, it really muddied the waters as to where you can and cannot go. Can you carry in a grocery store that's TABC-licensed for off-premises consumption? What about 30.05 signage? Or the fact that 30.06 and 30.07 only alloy to permit holders? The laws really need revision and clarification, and it's likely that innocent people are ending up with convictions.

    Eli
     

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    The only thing that changed is you dont need the permit to carry.

    The problem defined in one sentence.

    Unfortunately, that is not what happened. Reality is hundreds of things in the law changed, the law is unreadable with all the a-1, a-2, etc, sections. Add in anti-gun jurisdictions and yeah, arrests/convictions are going to be way up.
     
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    Renegade

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    One of the reasons I got an LTC is schools, with an LTC you can carry on a school campus without issue - without an LTC it's a felony!
    Unfortunately, while the legislature allowed for permitless carry, it really muddied the waters as to where you can and cannot go. Can you carry in a grocery store that's TABC-licensed for off-premises consumption? What about 30.05 signage? Or the fact that 30.06 and 30.07 only alloy to permit holders? The laws really need revision and clarification, and it's likely that innocent people are ending up with convictions.

    Eli

    This exactly. They also muddied the water for LTC too, and destroyed CC for non handguns. The law is a disaster, and all they needed to do was remove 1 word from 46.02...
     

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    The funny thing is if you follow the links to the source articles in the OPs first post,

    It cites several interesting things. One of which is some jurisdictions such as Houston are now routinely charging anyone with UCW if they’re arrested for something else and possess or have control of a firearm at that time. That’s a DA-related policy.

    The source article also cites the well known increase in TSA secure area violations which are lumped in with all the UCWs.
     

    MountainGirl

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    Do you think that TxHGA post was accurate. Did you not find the error on that post? Look at it again and find out how you too could be one of the statistics.
    These laws are so confusing it doesn't mean you are stupid if you break them, the laws are stupid and ill defined.

    Yeah, I wondered about that. Especially since even the link to TGT's sister(?) site (texasgunlaws.org) is from 2015. :(
     

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    This may be of help to you - https://txhga.org/texas-ltc-information/where-can-you-carry/

    It's from the TxHGA
    Very helpful reference for this forum. Looking at the matrix of places one can/can not carry it is easier to see how someone without a LTC can get in trouble. Add to that maybe being drunk or on drugs and getting noticed by LEO.

    More details about the arrest and follow-up to any conviction would help clarify the numbers. IMO lawful and responsible gun owners with/without a license know the laws and avoid situation leading to arrest.
     

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    Very helpful reference for this forum. Looking at the matrix of places one can/can not carry it is easier to see how someone without a LTC can get in trouble. Add to that maybe being drunk or on drugs and getting noticed by LEO.

    More details about the arrest and follow-up to any conviction would help clarify the numbers. IMO lawful and responsible gun owners with/without a license know the laws and avoid situation leading to arrest.
    Is it helpful? Okay - let me ask you this.
    Looking on the matrix on that link - just at the first item under Private Property:

    "On another person’s property, after effective ‘No unlicensed carry’ 30.05 notification". For a non-licensed citizen having a concealed handgun is a Misdemeanor; for a licensed citizen having a concealed handgun is Legal.

    As licensing (the permit to conceal carry) is no longer required - is it still a Misdemeanor for the non-licensed?

    Would the same reasoning apply to:
    "Within 1,000 feet of a school, without permission."
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    "A room where an open meeting of a governmental entity is held."
     

    rotor

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    Very helpful reference for this forum. Looking at the matrix of places one can/can not carry it is easier to see how someone without a LTC can get in trouble. Add to that maybe being drunk or on drugs and getting noticed by LEO.

    More details about the arrest and follow-up to any conviction would help clarify the numbers. IMO lawful and responsible gun owners with/without a license know the laws and avoid situation leading to arrest.
    It would be more helpful if it were accurate. Did you find the error?
     
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